Coronavirus: General discussion (see opening post for rules)

[mikeprice]

Surely this is the very thing that suggests that you are, in fact, alive and well.

If you were a Bill Gates-powered 5G zombie, then surely Microsoft would spell-check your posts?

 

mobile signal isn;t that good here which could explain it

[mavhc]

Guess what no one told you about the Wuhan lab-leak theory. Everything, because people who make up rubbish don't bother to obtain facts

 

https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/02/09/1044985/shi-zhengli-covid-lab-leak-wuhan/

 

"collected more than 20,000 samples from bat colonies across China" -- omg, 20,000 sample!.... that means 20,000 live viruses in a lab, right?

 

Of course not, you don't know anything about virology. Nor bats. That's 20,000 samples, of which 10% had something you could detect with a pcr test, and only 10% of those were related to SARS-COV-1, so 220 samples.

 

"omg, 220 viruses!" -- nope, that's detected by PCR. Have you ever tried to get a live virus from a bat swab? The reason bats have the samples is they have a really good immune system so the viruses can't replicate well. They've only managed to isolate 3 ever. And 1 other lab has isolated 1.

 

But what about the secret experiments, why have I not heard about this secret Chinese lab. -- Because you don't read virology journals I guess, nor Chinese.

[elsiegee40]

My son and his girlfriend, both triple vaxxed, have Covid for the second time.

 

They both caught it in December 2020 when unvaccinated and it was pretty horrible but fortunately short-lived. He says it’s very different this time. More like a lousy cold.

[Ditto]

My son and his girlfriend, both triple vaxxed, have Covid for the second time.

 

They both caught it in December 2020 when unvaccinated and it was pretty horrible but fortunately short-lived. He says it’s very different this time. More like a lousy cold.

I'm hearing quite a number of second cases recently. The current vaccine programme seems to still be successful against severe disease and hospitalisation in the vast majority of cases, but it does look less successful at deeper immunity and preventing transmission. With the vaccine developed for the Omicron variant going through testing, if it is rolled out, it will be interesting to see how the outcomes differ in terms of transmission.

[mikeprice]

Major family 'do' last night - BIL is 60 in 2 days and SIL had her birthday yesterday (yup jammy g*t saves himself a card and a present every year!!!)

 

anyway - their son was there but not his long term girlfriend

 

so we asked where she was

 

apparently she, and her whole family, have Covid

but he has tested negative so that is OK

 

plus BIL's family are - errr - loud - and some are 'known to the Police' - they are OK - but.......

and in Covid terms - $deity knows - but I can suspect

 

 

Yea Gods

 

 

EDIT p.s. - some of the family that don;t appear often - I may have taught when I was on the dark side in Wales

I haven't mentioned any names to them but I have suspects

Edited February 16, 2022 by mikeprice

[elsiegee40]

My son and his girlfriend, both triple vaxxed, have Covid for the second time.

 

They both caught it in December 2020 when unvaccinated and it was pretty horrible but fortunately short-lived. He says it’s very different this time. More like a lousy cold.

 

It seems to be getting worse. Major headache, cough and his back has started aching.

 

First time round he said he felt like his spine was trying to escape from his body - it hurt so much. Fingers crossed it doesn’t get that bad this time,

[BOOT]

So... paying for tests from next month and paying for vaccinations from June...

That's going to go very well.

[Andrew_C]

[sarcasm]So? That only affects poor people; why should we worry about that?[/sarcasm]

[Rob_D]

I'd better stock up on free tests from the school while I have the chance.

I assume if they're not going to be free anymore twice weekly testing won't be a requirement anymore. (Or is this another school staff are different from everyone else thing?)

[Davit2005]

It seems to be getting worse. Major headache, cough and his back has started aching.

 

First time round he said he felt like his spine was trying to escape from his body - it hurt so much. Fingers crossed it doesn’t get that bad this time,

 

In April 2020 when I had it, it was really bad back ache, slight loss of taste and slight nausea but not too bad. The back ache was there no matter what I did, laying down, standing up, sitting down. Moved from one area of my back to another after a few days. Hope he feels better soon

[mavhc]

The estimated percentage of the community population that had COVID-19 in the latest week was:

 

4.49% in England (1 in 20 people, week ending 12 February)

 

3.71% in Wales (1 in 25 people, week ending 12 February)

 

7.99% in Northern Ireland (1 in 13 people, week ending 12 February)

 

4.17% in Scotland (1 in 25 people, week ending 13 February)

 

7.6% in Primary children, 6.3% in Secondary

 

5% of adults in education are unvaccinated, compared to 18% in Elementary trades, 14% in skilled construction and building

[Ditto]

Percentage with antibodies has shifted dramatically in just over a year - I doubt any other disease has this profile.

 

 

Regardless, still feels a bit early to be dropping all restrictions, but I expect many will continue with sensible precautions. I guess we'll know later today the plan and the decision around the contentious topic of paying for tests.

[StevieM]

My 86-year-old mum tested positive on Saturday. She's doing ok, at the moment, other than a cough and being extremely tired. NHS has proposed that she has a 2-hour course of IV antivirals to help reduce the risk of serious illness, but we're still waiting for confirmation of a time.

[hardtailstar]

My nephew is too young for jabs and he's currently at day 10 being positive and a slight cough.

[smurfomatic]

With the end to isolation if testing positive, has anyone had conversations regarding the recommendation to test twice a week?

[chris11256]

That no longer applies, the guidance to test twice a week has been dropped.

[Rob_D]

That no longer applies, the guidance to test twice a week has been dropped.

Is that the general guidance or the specific guidance to school staff?

[chris11256]

Is that the general guidance or the specific guidance to school staff?

 

Ahh ok, i can't find any reference in the document to general public advice. The only specific mention is removal of the guidance for schools.

[Seb1780]

Is that the general guidance or the specific guidance to school staff?

 

From last night's DfE bulletin

 

From today, Monday 21 February, the Government is removing the guidance for staff and students in most education and childcare settings to undertake twice-weekly asymptomatic testing.

[mavhc]

There's no end to isolating if you test positive, if you test positive you're advised to isolate.

[Ditto]

If I understand correctly, the advice is to isolate, but it's no longer a legal requirement. Worth noting this public health advice was stated as being a sensible thing to do with other infections too, including things like norovirus. Where coronavirus differs, is there is a currently readily available test to identify it. In terms of longer term, whether testing remains more important for coronavirus is a key question. As far as I know, norovirus, colds, common flu don't have same risk of long term effects, not the risk to mutuate into something more nasty.

[mavhc]

Flu will evolve into something more nasty at some point, did in 1918 and 1957 and 1968.

 

Now we just need managers to not be Pro COVID and let people stay off work, and better laws to provide better sick pay to those who need it.

[Norphy]

Flu will evolve into something more nasty at some point, did in 1918 and 1957 and 1968.

 

Now we just need managers to not be Pro COVID and let people stay off work, and better laws to provide better sick pay to those who need it.

 

If you think that's going to happen, I have a bridge that I can sell you.

[mavhc]

If I can cross it to an island, and then destroy the bridge, sounds good.

 

Between 13 March 2020 and 11 February 2022, there have been 122,122 excess deaths above the five-year average in England and Wales

[Koldov]

Yes, I thought it was that the legal requirement to isolate has been downgraded to just 'advice'.

 

The trouble with advice, is it really will only be adhered to by those with the means and sense of propriety to do so... and they probably would have whether it was advice or a legal requirement.

 

Most of those who don't, wouldn't have anyway regardless, because honestly though, did anyone ever get arrested for going outside when they had Covid? I remember some high profile cases of fines for breaking 'lockdown' as such, but none for breaking a 'quarantine'... and I'm guessing this also only applied to those who'd been told to isolate after taking an official PCR?