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Koldov

Koldov

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which is probably illegal.

 

But actually legal!

 

I remember the case of someone spitting at a Railway worker and saying he had Covid. Turns out that there was no proof of the spitting (?) or that the spitter had Covid. But in theory does anyone ever get prosecuted for knowingly spreading infectious diseases? Also, how deadly or infectious does it have to be (and to whom) before it will be deemed an offence? I mean I know posting Anthrax to someone is frowned upon... but there are cases of transmitting HIV being a criminal offence.

 

The thing is it might be tough to draw parallels, or at least the fact that HIV requires bodily fluid transmission (like Ebola/Lassa) and Covid mainly from just breathing... so in actual fact more transmissible, but possibly less fatal (6m estimated for Covid versus over 30 million - although now HIV has a proven medical treatment regime - once you aware you are infected) as Covid usually has a more marked effect on those in particular demographics.

Danp

Danp

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Sorry to hear that Danp, not sure what to say besides get well soon and maybe speak to a line manager about this issue because it seems to me your employer is risking students and staff wellbeing alike with this new policy.

 

Cheers, I report to the head and these instructions came from them! Looking back, I was not well on Monday. Yesterday and today were like night and day compared to Monday. What is done is done. I did what I was told / expected to do.

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Cheers, I report to the head and these instructions came from them! Looking back, I was not well on Monday. Yesterday and today were like night and day compared to Monday. What is done is done. I did what I was told / expected to do.

I can see your dilemma and it's sad to hear. If anything, I would say schools and businesses have become more conscious about health and well-being and I would expect more employers are likely to be sympathetic for time off, whether it is for the common cold, flu or covid. I know from governance conversation I've have with the MAT executives, their legal advice is to be very cautious and conscious around health and safety and to ensure they have liability cover in case a litigation.

 

It would be interesting to understand your heads wider attitude to health and well-being. I can imagine the PHE advise is contrary to the direction your head has given. Regardless of the current legal position, government advice is still contrary to your heads stance. I can imagine in some schools, your heads actions are likely to be detrimental to the pupils interests, even if the head thinks his position is for their benefit.

 

I could see staff just leaving, I could see whistle-blowing, I could see governors getting involved. What do the parent population think? In spite of all this, I know many individuals wouldn't rock the boat - how many of us can truly whistle-blow without fear of consequence. The head of the school is such an important role and one that can massively influence it's outcomes. I have worked with truly outstanding heads and one complete muppet. I can see the need for heads to be firm and assertive. Unfortunately I've seen that drift in to an inability to consult, take advise and take rationale decisions - yes, ultimately I seen a head become authoritarian to the extent of being a bully, and dictatorial.

 

I'm seeing the first signs of recent progress slowing in terms of cases and hospital data, for example today's week-on-week numbers are up for the first time in quite a while. One data point is not reliable in isolation, so it could be a blip, but historically, I've noticed that the turn points are generally following a consistent pattern, with few periods of random instability, particularly with case numbers.

 

I think the danger is, if a large number of employers take the same path as your head, along with people dropping their cautious behaviour too much and too quickly, in conjunction with waning immunity, then the data may well start heading in the wrong direction before we get to far into Spring.

Danp

Danp

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I think I have said too much on a public forum, even if it is BTRD. Maybe this was also a sign on how unwell I was as I let my guard down a little too much!
Norphy

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It’s going through my son’s school like a dose of salts right now. In a school of ~30 kids, at least 12 confirmed cases in the last couple of weeks.
mikeprice

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Sorry if this has already been said but I got a bit behind with this thread and may have missed some bits

 

 

Anyway - when I have had a reason to go through HR policies regarding heath then there has normally been something along the lines of not coming into work with an infectious disease

 

normally put in in case someone comes in with mumps or scarlet fever or similar

 

but I think we have proof that Covid is infectious

Hence if someone feels they should not be in work but work are insisting then check the policy for this clause

 

and if someone feels unsafe (as I would) due to a colleague being told to come in with Covid - again check the policy - you may be able to do something even if the union needs to be involved

Koldov

Koldov

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The worse you feel, the better it's working

 

A bit like the more horrible tasting a medicine is, the better for you it is...?

 

But actually I wondered about this... as in would that mean if you actually caught Covid, you would end up like one of those who got it really bad (as in the body's immune response causes a lot of the damage)? I know there was a lot of hearesay/old wives tales/conjecture/urban myth in the beginning about this sort of thing, I wonder if there's enough evidence now to prove it one way or the other...?

 

And as usual the interwebs have conflicting 'facts' but...

 

"Scientists haven’t identified any relationship between the initial inflammatory reaction and the long-term response that leads to protection. There’s no scientific proof that someone with more obvious side effects from the vaccine is then better protected from COVID-19. And there’s no reason that having an exaggerated innate response would make your adaptive response any better."

 

https://theconversation.com/no-vaccine-side-effects-dont-tell-you-how-well-your-immune-system-will-protect-you-from-covid-19-158728

 

But possibly due to a previous infection...

 

"A stronger response may indicate evidence of an increased immune response."

 

https://covid.joinzoe.com/post/vaccine-after-effects-more-common-in-those-who-already-had-covid

Andrew_C

Andrew_C

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Advice from Zoe on WHEN to use your valuable LFTs...

 

New research insight: when to take LFTs

 

With access to free lateral flow tests ending from the 1st April in England, we wanted to share with you some valuable insights from our recent research to help you make the most of testing. Our scientists recently analysed the length of time it took for people to test negative, following their first positive test. We found that, on average, it took 8 days after the first positive test to log a negative test.

 

What can we learn from these findings?

  • Have some LFTs at home ready so you can test as soon as symptoms start. You don't want to be out and about looking for test kits while symptomatic
  • Use a LFT on the day that you start experiencing symptoms
  • If you log a positive test, wait 6 days to retest as it’s unlikely that you’ll test negative before then
  • Those aged 75 and over could wait up to 10 days to retest as our research suggests that those in this age bracket may take longer to recover
  • If your test is negative, test again the next day
  • Keep logging your test results (positive and negative) in the app so we can continue to track COVID

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Koldov

Koldov

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Had a bit of strange situation with my OH's friend recently...

 

Two weeks ago my OH and her friend were supposed to meet up but a couple of days before, the friend messaged to say that her husband had tested positive.

 

She had tested negative but cancelled anyway (obviously). A week later she still tested negative, so they rearranged for the following week...

 

However, she messaged again a couple of days before the new date to say she had tested positive!

 

Now, there's no way to prove 100% she contracted it from her husband (she's very careful when out and about), but if so, it just goes to show that with the full incubation and infectious periods (x + y days as estimates vary) if you get infected from someone right at the end of their infectious period and then incubate it yourself for x days, it could be up to 2 weeks after someone in your household tests positive that you start showing any signs of having contracted it (unless you are asymptomatic)... and then at least another week until your infectious period passes...

 

She is vaccinated, but is also feeling quite rough unfortunately.

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Friday's case numbers were 40% up on the week before. Hospital admissions rose too. There are no updates over the weekend. I hope the data Monday/Tuesday isn't too dramatic and there is a level of random variation to those figures that means it is a less sharp change.
mikeprice

mikeprice

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Major problem tonight - wife wanted corned beef has and the tin I thought was at th eback of the cupboard was bacon grill

 

 

anyway - ended up in Tesco at about 6 p.m. - which is unusual

 

I was the only person in there with a mask on except on employee and hers was round her neck so it doesn't really count

 

 

 

 

sigh

Seb1780

Seb1780

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Tested positive yesterday, my wife had tested positive on Wednesday. Feeling under the weather but not desperately ill.

 

School will not entertain my return for at least a week. Currently trying to avoid boredom.

Koldov

Koldov

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Interesting @Arthur although I note that in both of these cases the defendants were prosecuted for assault/battery/ABH (which I believe in general spitting on someone is anyway) etc. Rather than for any crime specifically relating to knowingly attempting to spread an infectious (potentially life threatening) disease.

 

Tested positive yesterday, my wife had tested positive on Wednesday. Feeling under the weather but not desperately ill.

 

School will not entertain my return for at least a week. Currently trying to avoid boredom.

 

I literally couldn't think of being bored by having to stay at home for a week but then I am more than happy to amuse myself, I spent the whole of yesterday just working on my music (and I could happily do that for a week/month/year/rest of my life)!

 

I will admit I struggled in the first lockdown (as the OH will testify to), not with boredom obviously but it was more to do with abruptly losing my routine... with no warning or time to prepare (I didn't think I would need to as my risk was minimal because the school was only open for front line workers at the time), I was just summoned to the Head's office and told to go home!

 

Also made worse by the fact that within a day I was emailed and asked to set-up a full Google Workspace from scratch (luckily I had actually done a little prep)...

mikeprice

mikeprice

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Mask wearing in Tesco is developing into a game of 'Spot the Mask'

 

I have been wondering when someone will say something

 

seriously gonna use the "No Government Gonna Tell ME when I can Wear A Mask"

 

 

confusing dumb people is always a good thing!!!

(not totally sure I should have been a teacher - but whatever)

Andrew_C

Andrew_C

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It is tearing through my department. 9 teachers, one returned yesterday, two went down.

 

Mrs_C's school much the same.

 

But we don't need any restrictions...

6Foot2

6Foot2

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My old school: At least three staff members off concurrently (including most senior staff/those key to the daily running of the school)
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The last few posts show up in the gov data figures. The weekend cases were up 50% On the previous week. Hospital numbers were slightly up. This is with a much reduced level of testing.

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