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Rob_D

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I see that those who work in germ factories schools don't get any special consideration.

According to the BBC...

The second phase of vaccination will focus on the rest of the population, mainly the under-50s, who are much less likely to be ill with Covid-19.Teachers, transport workers and the military could be prioritised at that point, but more data on how well the vaccines are working will be needed before that decision is made.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55045639

 

And according to the calculator, I'm getting my vaccination By July 2022 (or October 2021 if you modify it to take into account the suggested plans to only give people 1 dose).

mikeprice

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Just had a go with the calcuoator

 

 

Did it based on me and my wife

 

It seemed to give dates that were a few months later than estimates from the NHS yesterday on the telly

 

 

That may be due to the telly being based on the first shot - the second is clearly about 12 weeks later based on current plans

paulkerton

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I would expect that before too long the Government will announce that any school teachers or support staff, nursery staff and university staff that aren't covered by the current list of priorities will become a new priority group.

They don't want to be seen to be bowing to the unions, ultimately. But they'll have to if they want to be taken seriously at any level.

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I think a lot of 'bosses' have a lack of trust when it comes to people working from home.

I would imagine it is better in secondary than primary - but

I think it varies based on the head (and/or CEO/SLT of the trust for MATS) rather than the school type. The school I am a governor at is primary and the all teaching staff along with non-teaching support staff worked incredibly hard. They struggled to utilise TA's time effectively initially, but did roll out extensive online CPD to make progress there and then managed to get them to help more with home learning. For my kids at secondary, it was clear in lockdown 1.0 that things varied enormously, with SLT taken on huge workloads along with non-teaching support staff. Some teaching staff updated parents on how they had managed to decorate their houses and tend to their gardens in their newsletters during this time. I think were trying to send parents 'engaging' updates, but it wasn't too well received. In lockdown 2.0 that's improved enormously, with online live lessons now the norm.

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I would expect that before too long the Government will announce that any school teachers or support staff, nursery staff and university staff that aren't covered by the current list of priorities will become a new priority group.

They don't want to be seen to be bowing to the unions, ultimately. But they'll have to if they want to be taken seriously at any level.

 

I agree there is a good chance this will happen, but it should be on the basis of science/medical decision making - I think the government would need to work hard to show it reduces transmission (yet to be proven with the vaccines), reduces hospital admissions/severe cases/deaths as well. I'm not sure they'd be able to say supports education only. With education so clearly stated as a priority and the amount of social contact in schools, there is a strong case. However, this will open the floodgates for many other groups to shout they are a priority. Locally we have quite a few people in the events/entertainment industry and they have been devastated commercially. The social mixing is high. But then without much thought, you can see dentists making a case, physios and other close contact workers, youth support workers (think youth clubs), youth sport workers - the list grows quickly. My biggest worry would be they say 'teachers' and not the wider group working in education - these forums would rightly become white hot if that happened.

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Link: https://twitter.com/AlexWhite1812/status/1345861724843474945 [Alex White Picture Tweet]

 

 

 

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This went around our local WhatsUp group earlier today. There is no doubt things are in a bad place right now and heading in the wrong direction, hence any toughen of rules is almost a certainty. But, you have to be a little careful with the graph as it doesn't indicate the volume of testing and the number of cases earlier in the year would have been much higher than shown. A similar graph based on hospital admissions would show how the curve that got flattened, then took off again. Whether that is all as a result of the variant or whether social action is a contributory factor isn't clear, but the admissions (or deaths) would provide a more accurate picture.

6Foot2

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Could you tell me which Uni? My nephew is post-grad somewhere they are claiming this is "impossible".

 

Falmouth University:

 

Link: Latest Information for Students [Falmouth University]

 

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Just visited the link and for me it says

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The website has now re-instated the 'January 25th advice'

 

Link: Latest Information for Students [Falmouth University]

 

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Screen capture: 12:29 pm today.

paulkerton

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A similar graph based on hospital admissions would show how the curve that got flattened, then took off again. Whether that is all as a result of the variant or whether social action is a contributory factor isn't clear, but the admissions (or deaths) would provide a more accurate picture.

Yes. The hospital admissions and daily deaths numbers are really the only statistics we have that can use to reliably compare March/April/May to now.

 

They're pretty close to what we were seeing mid April last year. Difference being, that was the peak. We don't know that the numbers we seeing now will be the peak too. I doubt it somewhat but we'll find out in due time.

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The website has now re-instated the 'January 25th advice'

 

Link: Latest Information for Students [Falmouth University]

 

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Screen capture: 12:29 pm today.

I see the same this time! It must be hard to keep up to date! I'm aware some local undergraduates are going back to their uni campuses even though there are no face-to-face lectures etc. I presume they prefer the uni-bubble over the home one? Is this in line with guidance, I'm really not sure?

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paulkerton

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I agree there is a good chance this will happen, but it should be on the basis of science/medical decision making - I think the government would need to work hard to show it reduces transmission (yet to be proven with the vaccines), reduces hospital admissions/severe cases/deaths as well. I'm not sure they'd be able to say supports education only. With education so clearly stated as a priority and the amount of social contact in schools, there is a strong case. However, this will open the floodgates for many other groups to shout they are a priority. Locally we have quite a few people in the events/entertainment industry and they have been devastated commercially. The social mixing is high. But then without much thought, you can see dentists making a case, physios and other close contact workers, youth support workers (think youth clubs), youth sport workers - the list grows quickly. My biggest worry would be they say 'teachers' and not the wider group working in education - these forums would rightly become white hot if that happened.

The thing is, they can't call Education their first priority if they then don't reflect that in the vaccination regime.

Ultimately, they want schools open because they see them as child care to allow parents to work. It's got very little to do with the actual education, we know this. So, for the economy, they'll get all education workers on the list (and yes, I'm pretty certain they'll include all support staff as they keep jumping on making sure they include "support staff" whenever they make statements at the moment)

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Dos_Box

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Just to put some of your minds at rest, I spoke to my ex last night who is on th emanagement side of the Lancashire vaccination program and she tells me that the Oxford vaccine getting rolled out from this week should be a lot faster to do than the Phizer one. Primarily this is down to the ease of transport and storage. I think she also mentioned that it has less of a gap between the two doses as well.

I used that vaccination calculator before Xmas too and it said July for me, but I expect the new vaccine will reduce this to several months rather than many. 67 Million jabs will take some time to do, but as they have got 5000 forces to help (mainly in logistics, but a lot of medics in there) this should give us a nice amount of manpower to help out.

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paulkerton

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I used that vaccination calculator before Xmas too and it said July for me, but I expect the new vaccine will reduce this to several months rather than many. 67 Million jabs will take some time to do, but as they have got 5000 forces to help (mainly in logistics, but a lot of medics in there) this should give us a nice amount of manpower to help out.

I bite my lip on the armed forces numbers. They always seem to be able to pull a few thousand from somewhere. I mean, the secondary schools have been given 0.5 soldiers each to help with the new track and trace system for schools!

 

But anyway, it seems companies like Tesco are also offering some of their logistics infrastructure to help. They've got tons of refridgerated vans. Just need to hope they can produce the numbers of vials needed at speed now.

ICTDirect_Dave

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Once he's gauged the mood of the people!

Indeed! Never do anything just because it's the 'right' thing to do eh Boris?

 

I do know that currently Lancashire County Council's communications team haven't a clue. Usually at this point they've got pages of incoming guidance that they use to produce county-specific guidance.

 

Today? They've got nothing at all.

 

This is all very last-minute!

6Foot2

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A former colleague has been told that all (English?) schools will remain closed for the whole of January.

 

This remains speculation/rumour at this point.

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