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kennysarmy

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So who's in school today ?

 

Full team in. NM, Senior IT Tech & Apprentice.

 

Will probably be that way all through lockdown as I think the plan is for teachers to continue to work from school delivering the online learning from their rooms at the same time the key worker and vulnerable children will be in their lessons!

 

Hybrid teaching! - Most staff had a flavour of that in LD2 and I believe it went well.

 

We need to still be on hand to deal with any issues arising from that and also will allow us to get in to IT areas that are not being used to check and keep things updated.

 

All good fun!

paulkerton

paulkerton

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All staff are in going forward, teaching staff are teaching their online lessons from their classrooms.

 

What the actual.... ?!?!?! Whose decided this? Are they not reading the rules??

 

 

[h=3]Leaving home[/h]You must not leave, or be outside of your home except where necessary. You may leave the home to:

 

  • shop for basic necessities, for you or a vulnerable person
  • go to work, or provide voluntary or charitable services, if you cannot reasonably do so from home

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LeMarchand

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What annoys me is that lockdown should mean lockdown. The only shops that should be open would be FOOD shops which happen to sell other essentials such as pet food, baby supplies and pharmacy items. The rest should be SHUT

Happened to drive past The Range and was horrified by the number of people coming out with everything except essentials. Ditto B&M and Home Bargains, I am told. These shops are not food or essentials shops, they should either be shut or at least the non-essential items should be not available. This should also happen in Tesco and the like.

 

I thought I read that Tesco (and other supermarkets?) were roping off areas like clothing. Having worked in retail, I'm not sure that will deter some customers. I remember having to prevent a guy climbing over a rope barrier that had been set up to keep customers at the rear of the shop as there was a bomb threat.

 

As for my sites, decisions are still being made. I suspect that it will be fairly similar to Lockdown 1 but with more teachers using their classrooms. Hoping i get more flexibility about when and where I work.

smurfomatic

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I'm in, sorting out Chromebooks to loan out to families who have requested them. Site is closing at 3pm today and not expecting many people to be in after that (teachers & admin staff working from home, Nursery might be open but not sure, no key worker kids AFAIK).

 

My colleague would be in, but is working from home anyway.

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What the actual.... ?!?!?! Whose decided this? Are they not reading the rules??

 

 

Leaving home

 

You must not leave, or be outside of your home except where necessary. You may leave the home to:

 

  • shop for basic necessities, for you or a vulnerable person
  • go to work, or provide voluntary or charitable services, if you cannot reasonably do so from home

100% agree - it's one of the clearer requirements.

Dos_Box

Dos_Box

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I did some maths this morning based an a few figures I'd found out. In the UK they estimate we are currently vaccinating 1 million people a week. This is intended to rise to 2 million a week by the end of January. Given our population (some 67 million) I estimate that it will be around August time the program is complete.

I also had to look up what percentage of a population needs to be vaccinated before this results in a poor environment for the virus to spread. Sadly the only figures I could find were from the Mayo clinic in the US who compare covid to measles, which requires an inoculation level of 94% of the population.

Interesting times!

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Andrew_C

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I did some maths this morning based an a few figures I'd found out. In the UK they estimate we are currently vaccinating 1 million people a week. This is intended to rise to 2 million a week by the end of January. Given our population (some 67 million) I estimate that it will be around August time the program is complete.

I also had to look up what percentage of a population needs to be vaccinated before this results in a poor environment for the virus to spread. Sadly the only figures I could find were from the Mayo clinic in the US who compare covid to measles, which requires an inoculation level of 94% of the population.

Interesting times!

Two thoughts, did you factor in 2 jabs per person? A colleague has a GP sister - she thinks it could be 2 years before the Isle of Wight is fully vaccinated without significant support. Just not enough people to jab patients.

 

And I believe the normal 'herd immunity' level is of the order 60%. Could be higher if the new strain is really that much more contagious than previous epidemic viruses.

paulkerton

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I did some maths this morning based an a few figures I'd found out. In the UK they estimate we are currently vaccinating 1 million people a week. This is intended to rise to 2 million a week by the end of January. Given our population (some 67 million) I estimate that it will be around August time the program is complete.

 

They're not injecting children, so it's more like 52,000,000.

It also requires two injections, so that's quite useful maths wise...

104,000,000 injections at a rate of 2,000,000 a week means it'll take almost exactly a year.

That's assuming a perfect 2 million a week, every week without supply chain issues or missed bookings and that every adult gets it.

Even if it's 94% we're still looking at 48,000,000 adults.

Dos_Box

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Two thoughts, did you factor in 2 jabs per person? A colleague has a GP sister - she thinks it could be 2 years before the Isle of Wight is fully vaccinated without significant support. Just not enough people to jab patients.

 

And I believe the normal 'herd immunity' level is of the order 60%. Could be higher if the new strain is really that much more contagious than previous epidemic viruses.

 

That is a very good point, and no, I didn't. Not sure if the piece I read covered this, and desperately trying to find it again!

Andrew_C

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And if all the teachers stay at home who looks after the key worker students etc?
Support Staff... That's what I'm hearing from science techs, and boy are they pissed!
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paulkerton

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And if all the teachers stay at home who looks after the key worker students etc?

 

Ahh. I'm guessing you're in one of those schools where every single child is vulnerable or the child of a critical worker then?

 

No one is saying every teacher stays at home, just that you don't need every teacher on-site to look after a sub-set of children. I'd have thought that would be plainly obvious when you end up with a situation that the number of teachers on-site ends up outnumbering the number of students.

kennysarmy

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Ahh. I'm guessing you're in one of those schools where every single child is vulnerable or the child of a critical worker then?

 

No one is saying every teacher stays at home, just that you don't need every teacher on-site to look after a sub-set of children. I'd have thought that would be plainly obvious when you end up with a situation that the number of teachers on-site ends up outnumbering the number of students.

 

We have around 120 out of 1400. The students have come in and are following their normal timetable - they visit each teacher for their lessons and the teacher is teaching their normal lessons to them as well as to those watching via Teams.

 

Staff are not mixing or socialising so we believe this is the best outcome for the students.

paulkerton

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We have around 120 out of 1400. The students have come in and are following their normal timetable - they visit each teacher for their lessons and the teacher is teaching their normal lessons to them as well as to those watching via Teams.

Staff are not mixing or socialising so we believe this is the best outcome for the students.

 

But absolutely the worst outcome for a novel virus that's mutated and is 70% more transmissable.

Staff are mixing, because little keywoker Connie with the cough is in both of their classes. :rolleyes:

... and we wonder why we're doing this national lockdown thing all over again. Again.

:mad::mad::mad:

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kennysarmy

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But absolutely the worst outcome for a novel virus that's mutated and is 70% more transmissable.

Staff are mixing, because little keywoker Connie with the cough is in both of their classes. :rolleyes:

... and we wonder why we're doing this national lockdown thing all over again. Again.

:mad::mad::mad:

 

You don't think we'd send home a child with a cough? Seriously?

paulkerton

paulkerton

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You don't think we'd send home a child with a cough? Seriously?

Of course you would.

But what about the asymptomatic cases where they don't have a cough, but are shedding the virus and passing it between people?

I assume you'll be testing all of the children that are coming in on a regular basis still? With that test which is as accurate as a toin coss...

kennysarmy

kennysarmy

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Of course you would.

But what about the asymptomatic cases where they don't have a cough, but are shedding the virus and passing it between people?

I assume you'll be testing all of the children that are coming in on a regular basis still? With that test which is as accurate as a toin coss...

 

Let's not bat this back and forwards.

 

Good luck with how you're managing remote learning, there is no perfect solution, we're all under immense pressure to do the best we can.

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And if all the teachers stay at home who looks after the key worker students etc?

I think the key point is "if you cannot reasonably do so from home". Clearly you need staff on site for key worker children, but not necessarily a full complement regardless of role. Rotas can also provide a flexible solution, whilst reducing human interaction, which is what the goal is after all.

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.. we're all under immense pressure to do the best we can.

 

A good point well worth remembering. Each school will decide it's path and there are no easy choices.

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