Davit2005 Posted June 25, 2021 Posted June 25, 2021 Just as much MS bloatware then. Links to Spotify, News, messenger, etc. All things you prob don't want in school environment. 2
aicrd Posted June 25, 2021 Posted June 25, 2021 Just as much MS bloatware then. Links to Spotify, News, messenger, etc. All things you prob don't want in school environment. I am hopeful they have easy ways remove them. GPO settings and whatnot. Oh what am i saying of course they wont..... 4
paulkerton Posted June 25, 2021 Posted June 25, 2021 I mean, at this point why aren't you just getting Chromebooks? Android Apps, TPM security and encryption by default, trying to push web based apps up-front, Web browser based on Chromium... Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery I suppose! - - - Updated - - - I'm not planning anything yet as there's plenty of time for minimum specs to change between now and release day. Almost certainly upwards, rather than down though. 1
Dos_Box Posted June 25, 2021 Posted June 25, 2021 (edited) The TPM thing is going to be painful--just checked and the batch of PCs I've ordered in the last few weeks only comes with the TPM header, no pre-installed module. I don't reckon any of our machines (all custom built by VeryPC, Stone etc.) are going to have them on, tbh, because they've never been standard but instead been segmented into a higher class of mobo that we didn't need to pay £ to upgrade to. Given we generally stretch to 6-7 years on our refresh schedule, and Windows 10 stops being supported in 2025... gonna be a pain one way or another. ETA: Just checked back a year and the 120 we put in Summer 2020 don't even have the header. FFS... TPM modules don't cost that much, circa £9-£13 which would be far cheaper than a full upgrade - https://www.scan.co.uk/search?q=tpm+module Edited June 25, 2021 by Dos_Box
Steve21 Posted June 25, 2021 Posted June 25, 2021 Just as a side note regarding TPM/SecureBoot, it's also a requirement going forwards in all new ServerOS releases so if you're buying any new servers, get TPM now even if you're not using it Steve
Katy Posted June 25, 2021 Posted June 25, 2021 The TPM thing is going to be painful--just checked and the batch of PCs I've ordered in the last few weeks only comes with the TPM header, no pre-installed module. I don't reckon any of our machines (all custom built by VeryPC, Stone etc.) are going to have them on, tbh, because they've never been standard but instead been segmented into a higher class of mobo that we didn't need to pay £ to upgrade to. Given we generally stretch to 6-7 years on our refresh schedule, and Windows 10 stops being supported in 2025... gonna be a pain one way or another. ETA: Just checked back a year and the 120 we put in Summer 2020 don't even have the header. FFS... My VeryPC stuff has onboard TPM - if it's Asus 110 boards then it'll have it. Whether it's TPM2 or just 1.2, can't remember. There's a lot more hardware with TPM than we realise as on older-but-not-ancient stuff it's just disabled by default in the BIOS/UEFI settings
tg12 Posted June 25, 2021 Posted June 25, 2021 Yes, I hadn't realised that my own motherboard at home had TPM built into the firmware, but was disabled by default. It's surprised me how many I've spoken to have said the same. May not need to rush out to buy modules just yet!
sonofsanta Posted June 25, 2021 Posted June 25, 2021 Reading some more around the web--it seems like maybe Win11 will be happy with Intel PTT and AMD fTPM, which are integrated into the chipset rather than a separate module. Haven't gotten to other machines yet to check the BIOS, but the Intel H310 chipset supported PTT, so that would cover the 2020 machines we bought at least. Pending confirmation/testing it may be less of an issue; a boring fortnight going through BIOS on every machine we own, but no extra cost.
Katy Posted June 25, 2021 Posted June 25, 2021 Reading some more around the web--it seems like maybe Win11 will be happy with Intel PTT and AMD fTPM, which are integrated into the chipset rather than a separate module. Haven't gotten to other machines yet to check the BIOS, but the Intel H310 chipset supported PTT, so that would cover the 2020 machines we bought at least. Pending confirmation/testing it may be less of an issue; a boring fortnight going through BIOS on every machine we own, but no extra cost. As far as I can work out, it needs TPM 1.2 and won't install without it, and the TPM2 thing is a requirement for Win11 certified devices, i.e. new kit - and the same with this list of CPUs that is going round - "1GHz 2 core" is the absolute minimum, that list of stuff is for Win11 certified. We went round enabling the firmware TPM on our 2018 PCs a while back so we could get Bitlocker on them, so hopefully they will be good enough.
3s-gtech Posted June 25, 2021 Posted June 25, 2021 It seems that this will really hit some recent, decent spec kit in some schools which is the real kicker. For me yes, my 2009 Lenovo M58s won’t support it. Oh well, they’re slightly older than some of the students. There are a few hundred machines this age on our estate. However, I’ve mostly stuck to enterprise kit which helps, but we’re going to have an expensive few years now as we cycle out the oldest stuff in preparation. About time I suppose, but there we go.
mavhc Posted June 26, 2021 Posted June 26, 2021 https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/compatibility/windows-11/ now doesn't even mention TPM 1.2 wonder if it's possible to make a usb tpm device
Jcx500 Posted June 26, 2021 Posted June 26, 2021 I wonder how management of Windows 11 will be. My guess is a heavy push to intune/azure
Katy Posted June 26, 2021 Posted June 26, 2021 I wonder how management of Windows 11 will be. My guess is a heavy push to intune/azure Config Manager will support Windows 11, they've been working with it behind the scenes for a while and it's supported in the next release. So I'm expecting much of a "same as Win 10" here (i.e. Config Manager if you want, or Intune, or a mixture with co-management)
Norphy Posted June 26, 2021 Posted June 26, 2021 I can’t see them ditching ConfigMgr any time soon and I’d be majorly surprised if other endpoint management systems such as Kace, Altiris and ZENworks stop working. Microsoft still get most of their money from corporate customers and they wouldn’t want to risk annoying them by stopping support for their favourite tools.
LeMarchand Posted June 28, 2021 Posted June 28, 2021 Ran the Health Check on most of my home machines over the weekend. Utterly useless: Just said "no" with no further details on most apart from one where it said the processor wasn't up to spec, despite it being well over.
Arthur Posted June 28, 2021 Posted June 28, 2021 Ran the Health Check on most of my home machines over the weekend. Utterly useless: Just said "no" with no further details on most apart from one where it said the processor wasn't up to spec, despite it being well over. This app might help... https://github.com/rcmaehl/WhyNotWin11 Detection Script to help identify why your PC isn't Windows 11 ready. 1
jmak Posted June 28, 2021 Posted June 28, 2021 This app might help... https://github.com/rcmaehl/WhyNotWin11 I can see why the Ryzen 7 will cause problems [emoji38]
Rob_D Posted June 28, 2021 Posted June 28, 2021 (edited) https://www.reviewgeek.com/90185/microsoft-requires-all-windows-11-laptops-to-have-a-webcam-starting-in-2023/ all Windows 11 laptops and 2-in-1s must have a user-facing webcam. [...by 2023] That's not at all creepy and weird, Microsoft. Hopefully 2023 gives them plenty of time to change their minds, or at least take that requirement out of the Edu versions. Edited June 28, 2021 by Rob_D
Michael Posted June 28, 2021 Posted June 28, 2021 The good things that I've read so far for Windows 11 - UEFI only x64 only Memory - 4GB's (mostly do-able) TPM only - the main difference between 1.2 and 2.0 are that of algorithms, which makes me think software or virtual TPMs may also become the norm. Eventually TPM 2.0 will be classed as less secure I'm sure in W11's life cycle. In terms of management, I think AD and GPOs are still here to say. Cloud solutions are no where near as flexible or granular, unless MS allow you to run a VM 'as is' in Azure, just as you could locally. If I'm wrong, then Windows Server 2022 isn't going to have a great deal within it!
Michael Posted June 28, 2021 Posted June 28, 2021 https://www.reviewgeek.com/90185/microsoft-requires-all-windows-11-laptops-to-have-a-webcam-starting-in-2023/ That's not at all creepy and weird, Microsoft. Hopefully 2023 gives them plenty of time to change their minds, or at least take that requirement out of the Edu versions. It's more difficult to find a notebook without a built-in webcam these days. I'm sure the blu-tackers out there will carry on tacking. I'm sure it's probably to do with user authentication on a local/home user level rather than enterprise. The other possibility is because Teams is built in - I think this makes sense, as it saves users downloading/updating regularly and hopefully be a part of monthly updates. 1
supportman Posted June 28, 2021 Author Posted June 28, 2021 https://www.reviewgeek.com/90185/microsoft-requires-all-windows-11-laptops-to-have-a-webcam-starting-in-2023/ That's not at all creepy and weird, Microsoft. Hopefully 2023 gives them plenty of time to change their minds, or at least take that requirement out of the Edu versions. I'm pretty sure people who got the first telephones in their house thought it was creepy and wierd. Personally I think its a great idea, video comms that "just work" 1
Norphy Posted June 28, 2021 Posted June 28, 2021 I reckon it's probably more to do with the "Designed for Windows" certification, or whatever they're calling it these days. They want to have hardware at a certain level so that you can be guaranteed a minimum experience level. The amount of crummy cameras I've seen on laptops since the pandemic started is incredible and I'm sure everyone here has seen the same. At least if they specify "Full HD resolution, AWB, 30fps" or something like that to get the certification, you can expect a half decent camera.
LeMarchand Posted June 28, 2021 Posted June 28, 2021 ...and, to add insult to injury, I'm being thrown out of the gang. [TABLE=width: 100%] [TR] [TD=align: left]Hi Windows Insider,[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=align: left]In preparation for releasing Windows 11 Insider Preview Builds to the Beta Channel later this summer, we are moving PCs that do not meet the minimum system requirements for Windows 11 in the Beta Channel to the Release Preview Channel.[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD=align: left]Based on our data, your PC doesn’t meet the minimum system requirements. To ensure a better flighting experience, it will be moved from the Beta Channel to the Release Preview Channel automatically so you can continue enjoying the Windows 10 Insider Preview build features. No action on your end is necessary. [/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE]
tg12 Posted June 28, 2021 Posted June 28, 2021 I reckon it's probably more to do with the "Designed for Windows" certification, or whatever they're calling it these days. They want to have hardware at a certain level so that you can be guaranteed a minimum experience level. The amount of crummy cameras I've seen on laptops since the pandemic started is incredible and I'm sure everyone here has seen the same. At least if they specify "Full HD resolution, AWB, 30fps" or something like that to get the certification, you can expect a half decent camera. I wonder if this ties in with Teams being built in. Making sure everyone gets the hardware needed to provide a decent experience with it, perhaps?
supportman Posted June 28, 2021 Author Posted June 28, 2021 Sounds like the TPM 2.0 thing is so that Windows hello technologies are guaranteed to work. Most PC's from 2016 have one installed apparently.
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