jthompson Posted March 15, 2022 Posted March 15, 2022 The taskbar feels like change for change sake. What benefit do you get from having the start button in the centre instead of on the left where it has been for the last 20+ years? I think it's so that it feels and looks more natural on a touchscreen. In terms of the comparison to MacOS lifecycle, I don't see it as too much of a departure from that. It's certainly not as bad as Android in that regard (both in terms of UI changes and hardware support).
mavhc Posted March 15, 2022 Posted March 15, 2022 You get people click the bottom left accidentally and opening bing and seeing ads.
Gongalong Posted March 15, 2022 Posted March 15, 2022 And on the topic of ads... Microsoft has been caught testing ads in the Windows 11 File Explorer
mavhc Posted March 15, 2022 Posted March 15, 2022 Windows is free as in ads for beer, not free as in freedom, very predictable I'm on insider dev channel, on Windows Update is the download/install button greyed out for everyone?
tmoon-mint Posted March 15, 2022 Posted March 15, 2022 I have good contacts with Microsoft employees, living in the same area as their headquarters and I can tell you that most of them were just as suprised as us about the new version of Windows. It was apparently a marketing department decision and many people were confused inside the organization as well. Marketing won in the end apparently! Honestly that makes complete sense. Didn't Windows 11 start life as Windows 10X which got binned and turned into Windows 11. If memory serves it was going to be a version designed for dual screen devices.
mavhc Posted March 15, 2022 Posted March 15, 2022 I think without 10X they had nothing to release, so invented 11. Meanwhile they just used Android for dual screens, shows how much they're bothered about client OSes really, they're only focused on Azure.
Gongalong Posted March 15, 2022 Posted March 15, 2022 I have good contacts with Microsoft employees, living in the same area as their headquarters and I can tell you that most of them were just as suprised as us about the new version of Windows. It was apparently a marketing department decision and many people were confused inside the organization as well. Marketing won in the end apparently! Or why you shouldn't let Marketing run your company, which unfortunately happens all to often.
MartinT Posted March 15, 2022 Posted March 15, 2022 Without marketing you won't have a company for long. Simply a necessity. 1
Norphy Posted March 15, 2022 Posted March 15, 2022 Granted, but your product should drive marketing, not the other way around. 1
Gongalong Posted March 16, 2022 Posted March 16, 2022 It could well be a profit driven thing as well. Microsoft can't seem to make their mind up about charging for upgrades, so if they force hardware changes the manufacturers have to pay them to put it on the new machines. Not that I'm trying to excuse it
Oaktech Posted March 16, 2022 Posted March 16, 2022 It could well be a profit driven thing as well. Microsoft can't seem to make their mind up about charging for upgrades, so if they force hardware changes the manufacturers have to pay them to put it on the new machines. Not that I'm trying to excuse it �� I'm happier with the new hardware requirement than I am with ads.
Gongalong Posted March 21, 2022 Posted March 21, 2022 For those who've not seen it: Windows 11: Microsoft approves desktop watermark for unsupported PCs
Norphy Posted March 21, 2022 Posted March 21, 2022 To be honest with you, I think it would have been better if Microsoft didn't allow Windows 11 to be run on hardware which isn't in its HCL. At least then, things like this would be unnecessary and the situation as to what Windows 11 will work on would be a lot clearer.
Zoom7000 Posted March 26, 2022 Posted March 26, 2022 For those who've not seen it: Windows 11: Microsoft approves desktop watermark for unsupported PCs Cue the registry tweaks for removal lol
LeMarchand Posted March 28, 2022 Posted March 28, 2022 Has anyone managed to do an "in place" installation on a non-secure boot machine? I've tried various registry hacks and the dll removal method and can stop it complaining about TPM, but not secure boot. CBA to try a "start from scratch" as it's the machine I use and doesn't have a standard software build.
LeMarchand Posted March 29, 2022 Posted March 29, 2022 Can't you switch to secure boot first? AFAICT that board doesn't support it, which seems odd. I certainly can't see anything likely in the BIOS.
mavhc Posted March 29, 2022 Posted March 29, 2022 Won't do if it's still a BIOS and not a UEFI I suppose.
LeMarchand Posted March 29, 2022 Posted March 29, 2022 Oddly, it says it's UEFI in msinfo32 but in BIOS misses out the "U".
mavhc Posted March 29, 2022 Posted March 29, 2022 EFI was the previous version of UEFI, so that's probably fine. If it's EFI and not BIOS then you have a chance at least. Is it booting via EFI or MBR?
LeMarchand Posted March 29, 2022 Posted March 29, 2022 Booting via EFI, IFAIK - though there's a chance it's worked down the list to the legacy sources. Not there until next week, but will see if I can turn off legacy.
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