Coronavirus: General discussion (see opening post for rules)

[witch]

My sister runs choirs and she is seriously thinking of having meetings in the local pub where she can have a group of 6 in one place, a group of 6 in another and so on.

 

If we can all get it again and have NO symptoms - so no tests done - the answer is for the people who shielded to go back to it and the rest of us wear masks everywhere if you are within say 2 metres of a building. So not for example if I was out on the heath walking the dog unless I can see someone coming towards me

 

I have an issue with people not wearing masks in shops - but in my case it is the people who work there. Surely they need to protect us and themselves too - I realise a mask is not comfy but maybe at least a visor?

[jmak]

Guidance from an authoritative figure in a BBC radio interview this morning (trying to keep this apolitical):

 

1) If you are a family of four going for a walk and you see another family going for a walk, you mustn't stop to talk.

 

2) If you suspect that a friend or neighbour has allowed a seventh person onto their property, you should call the police non-emergency number.

 

Like most people, I am very keen that the disease is kept under control, but I do think that aim could be better served by trying to keep people on side than threatening them.

[Andrew_C]

It would seem that masks are doing good for the wearer as well as the people they meet.

 

New England Journal of Medicine.

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[StevieM]

It would seem that masks are doing good for the wearer as well as the people they meet.

 

New England Journal of Medicine.

That's a really interesting read.

[mikeprice]

Other exemptions apply, like "organised sport". This means that we can continue training as a touch rugby team, however we can't have the same people in a room for our AGM as that breaks the rules!

 

And - you can continue training as long as it is an organised group

 

if a few of you want to meet up and have a quick game in a park - you need to keep it to less than 6

[Garacesh]

And - you can continue training as long as it is an organised group

 

if a few of you want to meet up and have a quick game in a park - you need to keep it to less than 6

 

What if you plan it the day before? Surely then it's been organised?

[smurfomatic]

What if you plan it the day before? Surely then it's been organised?

 

"Organised" (as far as I can tell) means as part of a club that's part of a governing body who has had their Covid plan approved by DCMS. Also the club has done risk assessments and put in place measures to reduce spread - such as hand sanitising before and after training, cleaning equipment, reduce the use of changing rooms, etc.

[Garacesh]

"Organised" (as far as I can tell) means as part of a club that's part of a governing body who has had their Covid plan approved by DCMS. Also the club has done risk assessments and put in place measures to reduce spread - such as hand sanitising before and after training, cleaning equipment, reduce the use of changing rooms, etc.

I figured it would be something like that, I was just being facetious

 

Just wondering, how many schools have had confirmed cases since coming back from summer? So far we're at 2. Which is actually fewer than I expected we'd have.

And what kind of response is the school taking? So far, kids in the same classes have been told to self-isolate but staff haven't.

[Dos_Box]

Three schools here in Preston have confirmed pupil cases of covid including my daughter’s. Each school seems to be handling it differently with my daughter’s sending her year group home until they can acertain who has been in contact with the affected pupil.

Another school has sent all pupils home.

Just recived an update and should be receiveing word by 3pm as to is she needs to self isolate.

She's had a throat infection all weekend (and wouldn't belive me when I said she's probably got it from school) but no covid symptoms. She has however, successfully passed it onto me [emoji33]

Edited September 15, 2020 by elsiegee40

[LeMarchand]

One of my sites is starting saliva testing at the end of the month.

[mikeprice]

Heard of a thing that is going around

 

Apparently some people, who normally get the flu vaccine, are not going to have it this year

 

because it is a different virus

 

 

Oh - OK then - so we are now at the point where people are choosing what virus to catch and potentially die from - and spread to other people - in spite of having been happy to be vaccinated for it before with no problems

 

just how can we still have taken over the planet with such a high density of dumb people

[Bionic]

just how can we still have taken over the planet with such a high density of dumb people

 

I often wonder exactly this.

[Duranis]

just how can we still have taken over the planet with such a high density of dumb people

 

In a local facebook group last night someone was saying how it is all just a hoax and a way for the Government to gain more control. When I pointed out that would take every government on the planet, as well as every medical professional, all working together using the same lie, despite some of the Governments actively trying to destroy each other, they still wouldn't change their mind.

 

The scariest part, they had WAY more people agreeing with them. Honestly before Covid I thought that at least the majority of people where reasonable, decent and at least averagely intelligent. Now it seems like reasonable, averagely intelligent people are definitely in the minority and I have no faith in humanity what so ever. I wish this was just me being sarcastic as well but I do genuinely fear for the world my children are going to grow up in.

[smurfomatic]

In a local facebook group last night someone was saying how it is all just a hoax and a way for the Government to gain more control. When I pointed out that would take every government on the planet, as well as every medical professional, all working together using the same lie, despite some of the Governments actively trying to destroy each other, they still wouldn't change their mind.

 

The scariest part, they had WAY more people agreeing with them. Honestly before Covid I thought that at least the majority of people where reasonable, decent and at least averagely intelligent. Now it seems like reasonable, averagely intelligent people are definitely in the minority and I have no faith in humanity what so ever. I wish this was just me being sarcastic as well but I do genuinely fear for the world my children are going to grow up in.

 

To quote Tommy Lee Jones, from Men In Black:

 

A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the centre of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet.

[elsiegee40]

Our local Facebook group was in agreement that the current spike is caused by masks.

 

We managed to get numbers down without masks and now people are wearing masks the number of cases has gone up.

 

They seem to have completely failed to notice that nobody was going anywhere in lockdown and that that isn’t the case now.

 

A couple of brave souls and I got involved. I ended up saying that the problem, simplistically, is people breathing germs on each other. Now there are more opportunities to meet other people there are also more opportunities to be breathed on. Masks reduce risk, but they don’t completely stop the virus and anyway not everyone is wearing one everywhere.

 

One of the anti maskers said she was vulnerable due to asthma and still believed others were a greater risk with masks.

 

The NHS could save millions by not bothering with masks to satisfy this lot

Edited September 15, 2020 by elsiegee40

[paulkerton]

just how can we still have taken over the planet with such a high density of dumb people

We haven't. They've always existed. They've just found out they can meet on the internet after going down a YouTube rabbit hole and being convinced by mad-men with a camera.

[PyROm]

We managed to get numbers down without masks and now people are wearing masks the number of cases has gone up.

 

That just reminds me of this picture describing how pirates prevent global warming.

 

[paulkerton]

We managed to get numbers down without masks and now people are wearing masks the number of cases has gone up.

That just reminds me of this picture describing how pirates prevent global warming.

 

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One of my favourites for this:

Surely they realise correlation does not equal causation, or is that a step too far?

[smurfomatic]

That just reminds me of this picture describing how pirates prevent global warming.

 

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Nothing wrong with that theory, pastafarianism at its finest!

 

Other random things that correlate:

 

https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations

[smurfomatic]

Also reminds me of something from a GCSE Maths textbook (can't remember it exactly).

 

Over a period of ten years, the number of TV aerials in the UK increased 27%. Incidents of lung cancer in the same period increased 23%. Conclusion: TV aerials cause lung cancer.

[jmak]

One of my sites is starting saliva testing at the end of the month.

I can only find information about trials of that technology. The price mentioned is "similar to a paperback book", so about £5? Who's paying for your tests? Sounds expensive...

 

I know Exeter university is paying for weekly tests and Addenbrookes hospital in Cambridge is trialling it for inpatients alongside swab tests. Government are running trials starting soon in Salford and Heathrow have got their own thing going on. Have you managed to get involved in a trial?

 

NB: in no way getting at you, just interested in a) how the school's got involved and b) how the powers that be decided it's good value. I'd love to have a 20 minute saliva test widely available.

[LeMarchand]

I can only find information about trials of that technology. The price mentioned is "similar to a paperback book", so about £5? Who's paying for your tests? Sounds expensive...

 

I know Exeter university is paying for weekly tests and Addenbrookes hospital in Cambridge is trialling it for inpatients alongside swab tests. Government are running trials starting soon in Salford and Heathrow have got their own thing going on. Have you managed to get involved in a trial?

 

NB: in no way getting at you, just interested in a) how the school's got involved and b) how the powers that be decided it's good value. I'd love to have a 20 minute saliva test widely available.

 

*Reads document a bit more carefully*

 

Nope, didn't get the wrong end of the stick!

 

Looks like the CC/local Uni/NHS are getting together. Might just be a trial as my other 2, which are pretty close by, haven't said anything (yet?). Mind you, that school are quite on the ball about such things and are my only site with reasonable social distancing and the also give out flu jab vouchers each year.

[Andrew_C]

We, apparently, have a machine that produces results in 90 mins. £40 a pop though.

 

School are also stumping up for ALL staff (inc IT) to get flu jabs.

[Rob_D]

Our local Facebook group was in agreement that the current spike is caused by masks.

We managed to get numbers down without masks and now people are wearing masks the number of cases has gone up.

They seem to have completely failed to notice that nobody was going anywhere in lockdown and that that isn’t the case now.

A couple of brave souls and I got involved. I ended up saying that the problem, simplistically, is people breathing germs on each other. Now there are more opportunities to meet other people there are also more opportunities to be breathed on. Masks reduce risk, but they don’t completely stop the virus and anyway not everyone is wearing one everywhere.

One of the anti maskers said she was vulnerable due to asthma and still believed others were a greater risk with masks.

The NHS could save millions by not bothering with masks to satisfy this lot

 

Well... you could argue that wearing a mask gives people a false sense of security when out and about despite a lot of people not wearing them properly or having cheep naff ones, or not following proper sanitisation protocols when putting on/removing them. Which means more people out and about without a descent level of protection, which then leads to a rise in cases.

I mean should this (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53395513) really be necessary?