Coronavirus: General discussion (see opening post for rules)

[FishCustard]

If I were PM I'd definitely be closing pubs now - sorry, health over hospitality.

[caffrey]

Starting to become rampant in schools around here...

[Duranis]

If I were PM I'd definitely be closing pubs now - sorry, health over hospitality.

It's money over health, pubs and restaurants will be the absolute last things to close due to the massive economic impact they have (literally billions, even with tax cuts).

 

For comparison your looking at a tax income of about 20p per £1 of turnover for a pub vs about 7p per £1 for retail. This isn't even including indirect tax from things like excise duty and from the supply chains. That's why pubs were opened long before a lot of other shops and services.

[Ditto]

Starting to become rampant in schools around here...

How many schools impacted? Or is it a large number of cases in a small number of schools?

[caffrey]

I'm just following the local tinpot rag

 

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/live-middlesbrough-local-lockdown-coronavirus-18896111

 

They are not shutting them, just removing bubbles

[synaesthesia]

Still, careful with words like "rampant" please, getting as bad as teachers! "OMG NOTHING WORKING NOONE CAN LOG ON" (one user forgot password...)

[caffrey]

SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING!

[mikeprice]

Cases are rising round here

 

not surprising as there are a load of factories here that are all back to work - and the workers all live in the area

 

presumably it will rise again when the impact of the local school restarting hits

 

I am preparing to act surprised

[LeMarchand]

Christmas Under Threat

 

Matt Hancock emulates his childhood hero

 

 

[smurfomatic]

Christmas Under Threat

 

Finally this Government do something right!

[6Foot2]

 

Lord Sugar during this interview:

 

...okay we have been told what to do we've been told to keep ourselves apart from others not congregate with 50 people wear a mask wash hands do all the right thing let's get on a bus don't touch your face let's get on the train don't touch your face...

 

My emphasis.

 

During the same interview:

 

 

[LeMarchand]

Isn't touching your face and, in particular, your nose when talking a sign that you're lying?

[Rob_D]

Isn't touching your face and, in particular, your nose when talking a sign that you're lying?

Or that you have an itchy nose.

[6Foot2]

Isn't touching your face and, in particular, your nose when talking a sign that you're lying?

 

Nonverbal leakage.

[elsiegee40]

Jacob Rees-Mogg Self-Isolating After Child Develops Coronavirus Symptoms

 

NHS Test And Trace Reports Worst Contact Tracing Figures Since It Launched

 

Operation Moonshot: Four Astronomical Hurdles The Government Must Overcome

[stevejp]

Jacob Rees-Mogg Self-Isolating After Child Develops Coronavirus Symptoms[/url

 

That’ll be Eton shut down, then - not...

[Ditto]

I know a number of Edugeeker's are not entirely happy with how covid secure their workplaces are. This article shows it is worth following up with HSE if all other avenues fail to resolve your concerns. Clearly HSE are able and willing to tell any organisation to implement proper practices - at the end of the day, it's in everybody's interest.

[jmak]

NHS Covid-19 tracking app launch date announced:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/11/nhs-coronavirus-app-launch-england-wales-24-september?

 

Interesting to see how they've tried to overcome the non-centralised data protection model of the Apple/Google API. They're combining the native (decentralised) functionality with the requirement to leave personal details with businesses (restaurants/pubs) using QR code to "check in", which will then grab the personal details you enter in the app and store them centrally. Hopefully it doesn't also grab the unique identifier allocated to your device by the API...

[Rob_D]

I don't know about anyone else, but I'd ask to see the pub's GDPR statement before I gave them any personal details.

[jthompson]

Strange times. If we were to go out for a meal somewhere and not be asked to provide personally identifiable information upon arrival, we'd probably walk straight back out and go somewhere that did.

[mthomas08]

I don't know about anyone else, but I'd ask to see the pub's GDPR statement before I gave them any personal details.

 

I don't know... as much as I want to go to a pub and drink my body weight in beer because my head is all over place (barely drink for about 5 years)... I just can't think of many places I'd rather avoid.... and guess where the mrs wants us to go on Saturday to meet her dad.. and guess where he generally spends every morning/afternoon and evening if he isn't working...... A PUB...

 

Watched the news the other day about pubs and how the customer said as long as they try their best to be safe.. it should be safe.. while chucking down a whisky and a beer....

I couldn't help but notice - no screens while he was asking for a drink, no hand sanitiser and the barman gave the drinks while getting very close to his face... literally seconds after the customer said the words "effort made"....

[Garacesh]

I don't know about anyone else, but I'd ask to see the pub's GDPR statement before I gave them any personal details.

 

I don't think you're supposed to.

 

You provide the details to the NHS, and then you scan a QR code with the app when you visit places.

The QR code is unique to that location, the app looks up who the QR belongs to, and combines it with the personal info you gave. Now it knows you woz there. The business doesn't know you woz there, but probably gets some kind of information about unique visitor amounts etc.

 

If someone self-identifies that they develops symptoms (or are confirmed to have it), the app looks at places they've visited, and knows you visited there too, so it warns you. It also, presumably, warns the business(es) that the QR belongs to.

 

Your details are never exposed to the organisations you scan the code of

 

Or at least, that's how I'd do it. Kinda the same way tracking cookies work, I guess. Anyone who isn't the 'owner' doesn't know who the cookie belongs to, they just know the cookie was there.

Only thing is I dunno how I'd have it confirm you had COVID. Self-reporting seems like it could just be abused by all the anti-mask nutters and I wouldn't want to risk people becoming blasé about the alerts.

Edited September 11, 2020 by Garacesh

[jmak]

I don't think you're supposed to.

 

You provide the details to the NHS, and then you scan a QR code with the app when you visit places.

The QR code is unique to that location, the app looks up who the QR belongs to, and combines it with the personal info you gave. Now it knows you woz there. The business doesn't know you woz there, but probably gets some kind of information about unique visitor amounts etc.

 

If someone self-identifies that they develops symptoms (or are confirmed to have it), the app looks at places they've visited, and knows you visited there too, so it warns you. It also, presumably, warns the business(es) that the QR belongs to.

 

Your details are never exposed to the organisations you scan the code of

 

Or at least, that's how I'd do it. Kinda the same way tracking cookies work, I guess. Anyone who isn't the 'owner' doesn't know who the cookie belongs to, they just know the cookie was there.

Only thing is I dunno how I'd have it confirm you had COVID. Self-reporting seems like it could just be abused by all the anti-mask nutters and I wouldn't want to risk people becoming blasé about the alerts.

So that's supposed to be the advantage of this system for the businesses - they don't have any responsibility for the data or protecting it. Of course, that doesn't match with the requirement under current regulations that they're required to hold all of those details for 21 days; if they use the new app instead of one of the current privately provided apps or good old pen and paper, they can't prove they complied...

 

Regarding notification, that's one of the things that our government argued with Apple and Google about; in its native form, it's down to the user to report that they're infected. It government wanted to link it to the test database - which is understandable, but they were having trouble achieving it within the constraints of the API.

Edited September 11, 2020 by jmak

[Andrew_C]

You're not suggesting that Govt advice/requirements are confused and mixed are you?

[mavhc]

Pretty sure the least likely people to follow the guidelines will be the most likely people to be in a pub