E_G_R2 Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 FPTP has had its day... Has it? Looks like its put the tories back in for another 5 years in which time the UKIP bubble may well burst as times get better (cross fingers and all that). Meanwhile Labour have to find a new leader and the LD who have been down before have to re build from the grassroots up. Then there's the question of a backlash in scotland if the SNP appear toothless due to a tory majority.
elsiegee40 Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 Just gonna blame the elderly... You should be blaming the youngsters who can't be ar$ed to vote. Had they done so, we may have had a different result.
localzuk Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 Intriguing indeed. I still think Labour should stick to the centre ground like Tony Blair did. New labour was an election winning formulae, I don't understand why Ed went to the Left and threw it all away... I'd love to say the reason was values - but if it were then this manifesto wouldn't've been so poor. He almost fence-sat through the entire election. Popular policies such as re-nationalising the railways and rolling back NHS privatisation were fudged around with very soft answers. So, I don't know either.
sonofsanta Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 Why is no-one talking about Tom Watson as a potential leader. I want Tom Watson. He's the only decent MP of the lot of them!
pooley Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 You should be blaming the youngsters who can't be ar$ed to vote. Had they done so, we may have had a different result. I'm 40 and I didn't vote. Labor got in here with 52.9% of the vote (area lamppost could get voted labor around here) I would of voted for someone else but what's the point, my vote would of counted for nothing.
Gatt Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 Winning formula: Lord Vetinari! Then bring in the Guilds Oh and Cedric with the kittens...
zag Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 Interesting stuff from Lord Ashcroft as well for the future, nothing stopping the tories changing the boundaries now as well. Add that to the demise of Labour in the north mainly from the UKIP and the future is not looking rosy for socialism in the UK!
CAM Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 I consider myself to be British and European. This result leaves the Union at risk with SNP taking over Scotland and Europe at risk with such a sharp rise in popularity for anti-EU parties. Starting to wish I could get residency on the mainland....
sparkeh Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 So, its looks like a slim Tory majority is heading our way. Interesting question: What kind of position does this leave Cameron in? Is he actually weaker than before, more open to blackmail and arm twisting and blackmail from his backbenchers, the Eurosceptics and 1922 Committee? At least in coalition he had the Lib Dems to rely on for European matters.
LeMarchand Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 Intriguing indeed. I still think Labour should stick to the centre ground like Tony Blair did. New labour was an election winning formulae, I don't understand why Ed went to the Left and threw it all away... Like @localzuk , I'd like to hope that it was supposed to be a return to what the party originally stood for. I don't get it.. You get a shot at PM and if you don't get it, you're out? That doesn't really strike me as a party behind their leader? Strikes me more as a "We'll throw everyone at the wall one-by-one and see who sticks." I think it's more the realisation that Ed probably could never lead them to an election victory.
Garacesh Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 I think it's more the realisation that Ed probably could never lead them to an election victory. As much as I would have preferred Labour over Tory, I still agree with that. Though does make you wonder, why would they put him on the pedestal in the first place, then?
Quackers Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 I think it's more the realisation that Ed probably could never lead them to an election victory. I've voted labour 2 out of the 4 elections I've been eligible for voting in. When ever i saw Ed in PMQT i thought no way can i vote labour with him leading, he is so weak. 1
Bezwick Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 This is interesting, to see how it would change if PR had been used. FactCheck: what would parliament look like under Proportional Representation?
Garacesh Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 This is interesting, to see how it would change if PR had been used. FactCheck: what would parliament look like under Proportional Representation? That second graph looks a tonne fairer to me.. I also reckon that the (almost) two-party system we have would break down significantly if people could see their votes actually leading to parliamentary seats.
Andrew_C Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 FPTP has had its day...It is broken for sure, but there is NO way the nasty party will change it; and I doubt Labour would either if they were on a winning streak. I doubt (fingers double-crossed) we'll see Gove back in Education, No, I think they may be grooming him for leader. Then we'll see what the Nasty party really stand for.
sted Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 Some may argue, given the results, she's been given a fresh mandate by the people of Scotland. Anyway, pundits on the Beeb have suggested she doesn't want a re-run in the next 5 years anyway. Devo-Max is the thing now. There's some talk about turning the UK into a Federated state (good idea in my books), but reports suggest that's a step too far for Cameron. Now, with the clear rise in UKIP (they got 2nd in a lot of places), anyone want to place bets on the 2017 EU referendum? I honestly thing if the scots want independence the best way is to ask the English/Welsh /northern Irish if we would like them to go away and stfu about it you've had a vote you went with no because as far as I can see snp just ignored anything they didn't like
Arreks Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 As much as I would have preferred Labour over Tory, I still agree with that. Though does make you wonder, why would they put him on the pedestal in the first place, then? Well if he's who they thought would be the most charismatic and have the most leadership qualities, makes you wonder how boring the rest of the party are..
Andrew_C Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 You know, on balance I think I'll send my CV to @witch to see if she can get me one a job at NASA and one of those one-way tickets to Mars. 2
Garacesh Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 Well if he's who they thought would be the most charismatic and have the most leadership qualities, makes you wonder how boring the rest of the party are.. Guess we'll soon find out.
SovietRussia Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 Has it? Looks like its put the tories back in for another 5 years in which time the UKIP bubble may well burst as times get better (cross fingers and all that). Meanwhile Labour have to find a new leader and the LD who have been down before have to re build from the grassroots up. Then there's the question of a backlash in scotland if the SNP appear toothless due to a tory majority. Well Tories will now complete boundary changes from 650 MPs to 600, you can bet it is changed to their advantage! 1
elsiegee40 Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 Expect the announcement of a grammar school annexe in Sevenoaks too
Gatt Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 You know, on balance I think I'll send my CV to @witch to see if she can get me one a job at NASA and one of those one-way tickets to Mars. Joining you will be Ed Balls, Ed Miliband and Nick Clegg
elsiegee40 Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 Farage has lost. Conservatives have won South Thanet 1
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