Hightower Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 Yeah, lets just ignore sexism. I'll ignore racism and homophobia too... I'm not saying ignore anything. I'm saying how can you make such a big deal out something which the 'victim' hasn't even been offended by.
MK-2 Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 I'm not saying ignore anything. I'm saying how can you make such a big deal out something which the 'victim' hasn't even been offended by. to be fair, if i called one black guy a n***er, he may not be that bothered by it as some aren't, but it doesn't lessen the fact i've said it and it does encompass more than just him
localzuk Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 I'm not saying ignore anything. I'm saying how can you make such a big deal out something which the 'victim' hasn't even been offended by. Because the 'victim' isn't the only victim. The victim is actually an entire gender being pasted with a brush saying they all can't do something simply because of their gender. The 'victim' is not really relevant to the argument.
Hightower Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 Because the 'victim' isn't the only victim. The victim is actually an entire gender being pasted with a brush saying they all can't do something simply because of their gender. The 'victim' is not really relevant to the argument. I understand what you are saying. All I'm saying is it's not as big a deal as you are making out in this instance. There's even some women (the ones that are allowed to speak) have said that it's not a big deal. I'm glad you're not on the comittee of our Working Mans Club - you'll be allowing women in the bar next.... 1
aerospacemango Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 I'm not saying ignore anything. I'm saying how can you make such a big deal out something which the 'victim' hasn't even been offended by. Because it's not just about ONE victim..... What sort of message does it send to other female referees and assistants? That as soon as you get high enough in the game to get a televised fixture, you're going to be judged NOT on what you do, but on how you look? Your abilities are going to be called into question JUST BECAUSE of your gender? Do they often say anything about a new MALE refs assistant? NO...because it's expected that they know the offside rule. As I've said before, if a Referee's Assistant is good enough to be given a top-flight game, then there should be no question of their abilities, regardless of their gender.
dwhyte85 Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 (edited) Do they often say anything about a new MALE refs assistant? NO...because it's expected that they know the offside rule. I think most pub talk is about how the officials DO NOT know how to ref a game! We've no idea what they've said about the male refs... it hasn't been caught on cam yet, no doubt as per most football fans and footballers they're going to give them a bit of a roasting. If you've ever been to a match the referee is frequently questioned about ability... the referee's a ... Not saying it's OK what he said, can totally understand why the fuss has been made but if was saying that about a ginger ref and he said gingers don't know the offside rule, you'd all have a giggle... Edited January 26, 2011 by dwhyte85
MK-2 Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 all i'm saying is, it'll be dangerous singing "who ate all the pies" now
Hightower Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 (edited) then there should be no question of their abilities, regardless of their gender. Every time we get Phil Dowd, I question his abilities! Look, I haven't said it's not sexist. Their comments were sexist. Mistakes are made though, so lets not hang them for a petty crime. I would never ever have a go at the liner (finally, a word that doesn't discriminate) because of her gender - I think she is VERY able, as this picture shows: Anyhow, I'm going to have a kit kat, and try and renew my insurance - now where's the number for Sheila's Wheels...... Edited January 26, 2011 by Hightower 3
aerospacemango Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 I think most pub talk is about how the officials DO NOT know how to ref a game! We've no idea what they've said about the male refs... it hasn't been caught on cam yet, no doubt as per most football fans and footballers they're going to give them a bit of a roasting. If you've ever been to a match the referee is frequently questioned about ability... the referee's a ... Not saying it's OK what he said, can totally understand why the fuss has been made but if was saying that about a ginger ref and he said gingers don't know the offside rule, you'd all have a giggle... I'd say that, more often than not, the referees parentage is being questioned........ My point is that Keys and Gray would never think to sit there and question the ability of a male RA, who was having his first televised game, and yet, because the RA is a woman, they feel that they CAN? That is what is wrong. all i'm saying is, it'll be dangerous singing "who ate all the pies" now I think you can......You just cannot end it with.... "You fat bas***d, you fat bas***d, you ate all the pies!"
dwhyte85 Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 My point is that Keys and Gray would never think to sit there and question the ability of a male RA, who was having his first televised game, and yet, because the RA is a woman, they feel that they CAN? That is what is wrong. We'll never know whether they do or don't, have or haven't if hasn't been caught on cam... or fed back somehow.
GREED Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 Every time we get Phil Dowd, I question his abilities! Clattenburg, now there is a spanner of a referee... and that's coming from a United fan!
andyturpie Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 I have a friend who runs a women only gym. Is that offensive? I'm always looking for excuses to go in - they have the most backed up infrastructure i know lol
Guest Guest Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 (edited) Well Keys is gone.... YouTube - Would you smash it? It suddenly occured to me lastnight why this is all coming out now, when we all know that "lockerroom" talk has been going on in every profession with groups of same sex forever, Miriam O'Reilly won her age/sex* discrimination case against Countryfile didn't she... * I mention sex as ultimately this is what its about. "The mob" (both male and female, but ime more female) like to see attractive women (and on girls shows, men) on TV Edited January 26, 2011 by Guest
Theblacksheep Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 Sky Sports News: Jim Davidson to replace Richard Keys. Anyway, why are there hardly any male primary teachers?
witch Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 Not saying it's OK what he said, can totally understand why the fuss has been made but if was saying that about a ginger ref and he said gingers don't know the offside rule, you'd all have a giggle... Oh would we?........OH WOULD WE? If I were you I would run away...
tech_guy Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 How could they possibly justify paying that imbecile Gray £1.7m a year to waffle on about football. Obscene. 1
dwhyte85 Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 Take a bow son, take a bow. That's worth the fee alone, I am lying, bring back that chunky guy from channel 5 who does hole in the wall - he's crud too but he makes me feel better about myself.
mattx Posted January 26, 2011 Author Posted January 26, 2011 BBC News - Richard Keys: "The world went mad" Are we supposed to feel sorry for him ? Bleeding idiot.
Hightower Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 How could they possibly justify paying that imbecile Gray £1.7m a year to waffle on about football. Obscene. And people might think the same about you, "how could they possibly justify paying tech_guy £x a year to sit on EduGeek. Obscene."
mattx Posted January 27, 2011 Author Posted January 27, 2011 (edited) And people might think the same about you, "how could they possibly justify paying tech_guy £x a year to sit on EduGeek. Obscene." Dos_Box Edited January 27, 2011 by Dos_Box
jdoyle Posted January 27, 2011 Posted January 27, 2011 the June 2010 issue of the referee magazine carried an article about female referees with a few profiles : http://www.thefa.com/~/media/5D29273BB9D3482CB2DCAC5E41175E0F.ashx/REFMAG12_June2010.pdf Each issue carries 4 questions re the Laws of the game to ponder. In this issue they are on page 20. See how you get on (answers are further down the issue) Currently, 1 in 3 games arranged by the FA is played without a trained ref. For anyone interested in having a go : Referee subscription page
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