Will they be sacked ?

[mattx]

I hope so. What is football anyhoo ?

 

BBC Sport - Football - Sky discipline Andy Gray & Richard Keys over comments

[Theblacksheep]

Of course they wont. Bunch of idiots and quite funny seeing as she got the big call right.

 

 

As a former Rangers player I bet Andy Gray has sung alot worse.

Edited January 24, 2011 by Theblacksheep

[GREED]

Doubt it, they'll make a public apology and all be forgotton about.

 

Blown a little out of proportion I think. Not saying the comments were right at all, they are very silly for saying that, but Gray has said a lot worse... infact most of what he says is b****cks anyway.

[localzuk]

Ah football, one of the few remaining arenas for sexism. I hope they get sacked too, there's no place for such sexism in a decent society. Whether we live in a decent society, now that's a different question.

[GREED]

Ah football, one of the few remaining arenas for sexism. I hope they get sacked too, there's no place for such sexism in a decent society. Whether we live in a decent society, now that's a different question.

 

Does that mean that potentially, sexism is fine? lol

[Guest Guest]

All of sport is "sexist". Where else do you have segrigation between the sexes due to one sex being "superior" to the other. Yes, very silly, but so what, they wernt on air, and their view isn't exactly contradictory to the norm.

[localzuk]

All of sports are "sexist". Where else do you have segrigation between the sexes due to one sex being "superior" to the other. Yes, very silly, but so what, they wernt on air, and their view isn't exactly contradictory to the norm.

 

At one point slavery wasn't contradictory to the norm. Doesn't make it right.

[GREED]

All of sports are "sexist". Where else do you have segrigation between the sexes due to one sex being "superior" to the other. Yes, very silly, but so what, they wernt on air, and their view isn't exactly contradictory to the norm.

 

I think we'd have to be wary of the thread becoming a 'stonger sex' argument, but sport boils down to that fact, whether right or wrong.

[aerospacemango]

Of course they should be sacked.

 

Ron Atkinson, Rodney Marsh, BOTH said offensive things, off-mic, and were given the shove.

 

As these two are the "Faces of Sky Football" you can bet that it will be brushed under the carpet.

 

Personally, I find them BOTH pretty offensive at the best of times.....Part of me hopes that QPR DON'T get promoted, so that my team won't get patronised by these two idiots over the course of next season.

[firefox_2006]

Compare what they said to what Ron Atkinson said....If Sky was/is any decent reputable broadcaster then they should be sacked (as Ron Atkinson was). They have apparently been "removed" from any envolvement it tonights broadcast anyway.

[AyatollahPies]

It's not right, but then neither is 90% of the content of Loose Women, if you've ever had the misfortune of watching it.

 

Has Harriet Harperson called on Nato yet to arrest Gray and Keys?

[Guest Guest]

At one point slavery wasn't contradictory to the norm. Doesn't make it right.

 

Pretty much this;

I think we'd have to be wary of the thread becoming a 'stonger sex' argument, but sport boils down to that fact, whether right or wrong.

[localzuk]

Pretty much this;

 

Its one thing recognising the differences that exist, but this wasn't like that. This was expressing views about her being a woman meaning she would be unable to understand the offside rule and therefore unable to do her job. If that, as you say, isn't contradictory to the norm, then the norm is wrong plain and simple.

[Guest Guest]

Its one thing recognising the differences that exist, but this wasn't like that. This was expressing views about her being a woman meaning she would be unable to understand the offside rule and therefore unable to do her job. If that, as you say, isn't contradictory to the norm, then the norm is wrong plain and simple.

 

Its a play on the old joke, which incidently Wendy Toms didn't understand the offside rule in one of her major games, so their comments arn't entirely without truth.

[Hightower]

Not really bothered about the comments made, no worse than what most lads would joke on about down the pub. As for Andy Gray getting sacked, I sure hope so - I can't stand the man.

[AyatollahPies]

Its a play on the old joke, which incidently Wendy Toms didn't understand the offside rule in one of her major games, so their comments arn't entirely without truth.

 

I'll hold my hand up and say that I no longer understand the offside rule. Thanks Sepp!

[localzuk]

Its a play on the old joke, which incidently Wendy Toms didn't understand the offside rule in one of her major games, so their comments arn't entirely without truth.

 

An old, offensive, joke. Do you not see what I'm getting at? Just because people have said such things before, or a single woman had issues with what is now a complicated rule, it does not make it acceptable. On the same bent, would it be acceptable for me to say all women should be looking after babies, because that's what people used to think and as you know, my mom was good at it, so all women must be...

[jdoyle]

referee hat on....... in football there is no offside rule; there are no rules. There are the laws of the game.....

 

BBC Sport Academy | Football | Features | What is the new offside law?

 

nice to see Gray in hot water.... Mr charming, not.

[Theblacksheep]

Kenny Dalglish dig at sky asking if its ok if a lady is at the press conference: BBC Sport - Football - Kenny Dalglish has a dig at Sky pundits' comments

[Guest Guest]

An old, offensive, joke. Do you not see what I'm getting at? Just because people have said such things before, or a single woman had issues with what is now a complicated rule, it does not make it acceptable. On the same bent, would it be acceptable for me to say all women should be looking after babies, because that's what people used to think and as you know, my mom was good at it, so all women must be...

 

Yes I know exactly what you are getting at, but you seem to be ignoring the fact that its part of the much bigger arguement of womens roles in sports, and more specifically having token women in male sports just to show they are PC.

[srochford]

All of sport is "sexist". Where else do you have segregation between the sexes due to one sex being "superior" to the other.

 

That's not sexism. Sexism is about treating men and women differently when there is no difference between them. The way men and women compete in different sports is similar to the way you have different weight bands in boxing - you don't put a heavyweight in the same ring as a featherweight, for example, because there is a real difference between them.

 

Sexism is suggesting that no woman can be an assistant referee because women can't understand "offside" even if you can find 1 woman (or even many women) for whom this is true.

[tech_guy]

What's football?

[mattx]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiu78P_GOAo&feature=youtu.be

[Guest Guest]

That's not sexism. Sexism is about treating men and women differently when there is no difference between them. The way men and women compete in different sports is similar to the way you have different weight bands in boxing - you don't put a heavyweight in the same ring as a featherweight, for example, because there is a real difference between them.

 

Sexism is suggesting that no woman can be an assistant referee because women can't understand "offside" even if you can find 1 woman (or even many women) for whom this is true.

 

Hense why I put sexism in "s

 

So who decides if there is a difference? As said, no one said no women understand the offside rule, it was a joke as part of a wider arguement. Spatial awareness and running are the 2 main parts of being a lineman, 2 things which are recognised as being "different" between men and women. Whether these factors can be overcome (for want of a better word) is the "wider arguement".

Edited January 24, 2011 by Guest

[srochford]

 

So who decides if there is a difference? As said, no one said no women understand the offside rule, it was a joke as part of a wider arguement. Spatial awareness and running are the 2 main parts of being a lineman, 2 things which are recognised as being "different" between men and women. Whether these factors can be overcome (for want of a better word) is the "wider arguement".

 

I thought I'd heard that their comments did say that no women understood the rule but I could be wrong; if they're just saying "that woman doesn't understand" then it might be reasonable (although I've read comments that her decision was right - I certainly can't judge because I have no idea what they're talking about!)

 

There's no absolutes in the "men are better than women at spatial awareness" - it's not the same binary decision as "men are better than women at making sperm" The same is true for running. I'm a man but I run pretty slowly (actually, I don't run at all - those who've seen me will know that I don't have a runner's figure). I also don't have terribly good spatial awareness so I'm pretty sure that there are plenty of women who would be much better at being a referee than I would be.

 

Saying that "woman X can't be as good a referee as man Y because she runs more slowly and has poor spatial awareness" is not sexism. Saying that "women can't be as good as men at being referees because they are poorer at running and spatial awareness" is sexism - it's suggesting that all women are poorer than all men which simply won't be true for something like this where they will be a continuum of ability.