Cars... the discussion continues

[Andrew_C]

My Bro' had a CR-V and hated it, very thirsty. I looked at an FR-V and though it was an option as we needed 5 proper seats.

[mowgli82]

I wonder what the lifespan of these 1.0L engines chucking 120bhp + is, obviously Ford have done extensive testing but you still can't help think it's alot of stress for a small engine...time will tell i suppose

[twin--turbo]

For engine codes alone a blootooth elm327 and torque app will do the job.

 

After that there are a number of handheld scanners.

 

But best to get hold of BMW DIS, ebay 20quidish.

[3s-gtech]

I wonder what the lifespan of these 1.0L engines chucking 120bhp + is, obviously Ford have done extensive testing but you still can't help think it's alot of stress for a small engine...time will tell i suppose

 

There's been a lot said about this since they were introduced, but I think much of it is just what we're used to. The old VAG 1.8T was chucking out 225bhp as standard 18 years ago, so the equivalent bhp/litre is also 125bhp. Those engines will do 300,000 miles if looked after, and can do 300bhp without much work.

 

It's a fairly linear scale of capacity to power, so these figures don't sound too wild to me so long as the engine is set up to easily withstand these boost levels long term.

[sted]

There's been a lot said about this since they were introduced, but I think much of it is just what we're used to. The old VAG 1.8T was chucking out 225bhp as standard 18 years ago, so the equivalent bhp/litre is also 125bhp. Those engines will do 300,000 miles if looked after, and can do 300bhp without much work.

 

It's a fairly linear scale of capacity to power, so these figures don't sound too wild to me so long as the engine is set up to easily withstand these boost levels long term.

thats a 4 pot engine though id imagine a 3 pot being less as it always off balance (ie one stroke missing). Im not sure smaller engines are the answer as out of town surely a 2l doing 1-1.5k rpm uses less fuel than a 1.0 buzzing along at 2-3k

[kennysarmy]

My Bro' had a CR-V and hated it, very thirsty. I looked at an FR-V and though it was an option as we needed 5 proper seats.

 

Why did he hate it? Was it a 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th generation?

[Andrew_C]

Don't know I'm afraid. It was some time ago, certainly not the current version. When I mentioned that I was looking at the FR-V, he said something along the lines of "That thing (CR-V) I had drank fuel faster than I drink beer..." I don't know how similar they are, even now.

[3s-gtech]

thats a 4 pot engine though id imagine a 3 pot being less as it always off balance (ie one stroke missing). Im not sure smaller engines are the answer as out of town surely a 2l doing 1-1.5k rpm uses less fuel than a 1.0 buzzing along at 2-3k

 

In the Ecoboost it has an unbalanced flywheel instead of balancer shaft, so there will be some compromise there in terms of delivery but it shouldn't affect power and durability if well maintained.

[ben_mayo]

thats a 4 pot engine though id imagine a 3 pot being less as it always off balance (ie one stroke missing). Im not sure smaller engines are the answer as out of town surely a 2l doing 1-1.5k rpm uses less fuel than a 1.0 buzzing along at 2-3k

 

The 1.0 Ecoboost is in essence the 1.6 Focus apart from the power delivery is slightly better due to the turbo in it. (think there's a video Fifth gear did of a comparison between the 1.0 and the 1.6) the delivery can be slightly un usual if you're not used to it and sometimes does need an extra poke to tell it what you intend to do.

 

The engine on the other hand I don't see being too unreliable as the BHP/Litre isn't astronomical it's slightly more than some cars and feels smoother than a lot I have driven.

 

I have heard of a 1.0 Ecoboost floating around the Nurburgring running just over 200BHP which if you're bothered about engine life may be a lot less than was intended but still impressive. For me though I don't see me having the car into the 100,000's of miles as I tend to change cars regularly. (this one will last 4-5 years, if that).

 

I do say to anybody though to have a drive in one, as you'll be surprised by the power it actually has for such a small engine.

 

 

EDIT: oh and like most turbo-charged engines, if you poke it with a stick you'll see your MPG just fall off.

[cpjitservices]

My Car is at 185,680 miles and counting

 

Still pulls like a train.

[twin--turbo]

Do the ecoboosts need a lot of gear changing ?

 

Despite loving fast cars, turbo ones don't usualy float my boat. ( with the exception of my TwinTurbo 2.9 Sierra) .

 

I prefer either large naturally aspirated or a supercharger, ideally both

[Miscbrah]

Anyone want a broken Saab? Spares or repair. Hampshire.

 

What's wrong with it? What engine? How much friend?

[sted]

Do the ecoboosts need a lot of gear changing ?

 

Despite loving fast cars, turbo ones don't usualy float my boat. ( with the exception of my TwinTurbo 2.9 Sierra) .

 

I prefer either large naturally aspirated or a supercharger, ideally both

 

the 1.6 dosent (at least in 215bhp form) you can drive in 6th once you hit about 40 and it still pulls (though granted it would go faster in 3rd/4th). Cant speak for the 1.0 but the 1.5 (150 iirc)in a focus was also similar

[ben_mayo]

Do the ecoboosts need a lot of gear changing ?

 

Not that I've seen so far. I don't find myself changing up and down a lot unless I need more power to get past something then changing down 1 or 2 gears usually does the job.

 

This is obviously from a 1.0 Ecoboost perspective though, they do a 1.6 Ecoboost model too with 182BHP so it would probably be different in that car.

[mowgli82]

I would always have a 4 cylinder diesel over a 3 cylinder petrol if I was concerned about fuel economy. Especially with lots of motorway driving.

 

When I was selling cars we used to do a 3 cylinder "Blue" diesel and a 4 cylinder diesel - it turned out in the real world the 4 cylinder was better on fuel, plus it didn't sound like a bag of spanners! oh and you didn't have to wait 6 months for it!!

[sted]

I would always have a 4 cylinder diesel over a 3 cylinder petrol if I was concerned about fuel economy. Especially with lots of motorway driving.

 

When I was selling cars we used to do a 3 cylinder "Blue" diesel and a 4 cylinder diesel - it turned out in the real world the 4 cylinder was better on fuel, plus it didn't sound like a bag of spanners! oh and you didn't have to wait 6 months for it!!

 

there has to be an optimum engine size and I suspect its >1l <1.8l probably something like 1.4 or 1.6 though if you never get above 40 you might get away with lower as you have to think a 1l is working harder to do 70 than a 1.6 all other things being equal

[ben_mayo]

there has to be an optimum engine size and I suspect its >1l <1.8l probably something like 1.4 or 1.6 though if you never get above 40 you might get away with lower as you have to think a 1l is working harder to do 70 than a 1.6 all other things being equal

 

If I really was bothered about fuel economy which 60% of the time I'm not (sometimes I'll drive eco on some trips to work) my 1.0 I could get close to 50MPG maybe 47-48? But I just don't drive like that at all so I get around 41-42 and I mostly drive aggressively such as pushing it to the speed limit then backing off.

 

So 42MPG isn't bad compared to my 1.2 Clio I couldn't get past 38MPG on a smaller/less heavy car.

 

The focus drives in economy mode all the time anyway, so it is always constantly monitoring itself, but doesn't interfere in driving just offer different points in which to change gear

[Andrew_C]

What's wrong with it? What engine? How much friend?

PM sent.

 

Oh, and the 1.9l 150 hp Saab does a genuine 38mpg commuting, and I've had 50 on a clear run from Rutland to Southampton (ish) And no, with clear roads I wasn't hanging a round being an "Ecomentalist"

Edited March 8, 2016 by Andrew_C

[pbainbridge]

AC Cobra for the weekends and Renault 5 Turbo2 for weekdays

[arwen]

Do the ecoboosts need a lot of gear changing ?

 

Despite loving fast cars, turbo ones don't usualy float my boat. ( with the exception of my TwinTurbo 2.9 Sierra) .

 

I prefer either large naturally aspirated or a supercharger, ideally both

 

I'll let you know in a few weeks. I'm picking up a focus 1.6 Ecoboost titanium (150hp) on the 25th. On the test drive it certainly didn't need any more gear changes than my 56 plate, 1.2 clio. Probably could do less changes than it to be honest. But then it does have the gear shift indicators, that always want to you go up the gears too quickly for my liking, but it is hardly noticeable on the dash unless you are looking for it.

[ben_mayo]

I'll let you know in a few weeks. I'm picking up a focus 1.6 Ecoboost titanium (150hp) on the 25th. On the test drive it certainly didn't need any more gear changes than my 56 plate, 1.2 clio. Probably could do less changes than it to be honest. But then it does have the gear shift indicators, that always want to you go up the gears too quickly for my liking, but it is hardly noticeable on the dash unless you are looking for it.

 

I've found that the gear changes differ depending on how you are driving. If you're casually increasing to the speed limit it'll tell you to change earlier. But I've had it where I've been going from a red light to a 40/50 zone and if I'm accelerating faster it'll tell me to change up slightly later up the rev range.

 

For the most part though, I've come to ignore the gear change as its not really noticeable if you don't look at your dash a lot and after a while you get to feel for when you change up and down depending on how you want to drive. One thing is for sure the sudden power still surprises me which I love.

[Tesla]

My 1.4 54 plate clio gets around 34.2 mpg (according to the trip computer), no idea if that's any good for a 12 year old car or not.

[kennysarmy]

My 1.4 54 plate clio gets around 34.2 mpg (according to the trip computer), no idea if that's any good for a 12 year old car or not.

 

About the same as my 3 year old Honda Civic 1.8 that I drive with a heavy foot!

[Tesla]

About the same as my 3 year old Honda Civic 1.8 that I drive with a heavy foot!

 

I'm not the most economical driver.......

[abillybob]

My 1.4 2011 Honda Civic Type S shows I get an average of 47mpg so your Clio isn't very good on fuel I'd say!