crc-ict Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 We actually bought some interactive screen as 'early adopters' and have gone back to buying smartboards as the teachers hate the LCDs.
kennysarmy Posted December 12, 2014 Author Posted December 12, 2014 We actually bought some interactive screen as 'early adopters' and have gone back to buying smartboards as the teachers hate the LCDs. That's interesting... Can you expand on what they hated about them? Are you Primary or Secondary? Which brand you went for?
E_G_R2 Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 bulb free Casio XJ-A142-UJ Projectors recently @ £715 - - - Updated - - - What about software? Our MFL dept. use Promethean boards and their software. Our Maths dept. use Promethean boards and Hitachi software (we have to purchase their standalone licensed version) Other departments use Smart boards and their software. What do you do when moving to Touchscreens? I'm most interested in some replies to this....cheers.... Our one touch screen is using a PC with Smart Notebook (v 12), as the software runs through the PC its not a problem. As an aside I should imagine this is why Smart are moving into the licencing of their software as the boards will/may become redundant over the touch screens. Issue we had with our LCD was mounting it as the internal walls in some classrooms couldn't hold the weight.
Edu-IT Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 Is that this? Wow... what a website. Education Magazine 1
Sagima Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 Issue we had with our LCD was mounting it as the internal walls in some classrooms couldn't hold the weight. That is a problem we have too - I think they are going on floor stands held flush with the wall
localzuk Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 Power consumption 84" Clevertouch S Series - <435 W Power consumption Casio Projector XJ-A142-UJ - 155W (eco off) Power consumption ActivBoard 578 Pro - 290W Total = 445W Wow - massive savings there! Not even that for a SMART board. Power consumption is via USB driven by the computer! So, a projector is significantly more efficient!
crc-ict Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 That's interesting... Can you expand on what they hated about them? Are you Primary or Secondary? Which brand you went for? We are a first and middle school, with iiyama 65" Prolite Interactive screens. Our teachers find they are too small, too hard to see, not bright enough, too reflective. They find them over-sensitive and dislike the lack of a proper pen and eraser. This is coming from SmartBoards. With our last set of installs, we went back to Smart. We are using the SBX880 multi-touch (optical sensor) boards, with Hitachi ultra-short-throw projectors.
synaesthesia Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 I think a lot is down to teacher preference. The majority of teachers I know would kill to get away from crap pens! (looking at you, Promethean!) 1
crc-ict Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 I think a lot is down to teacher preference. The majority of teachers I know would kill to get away from crap pens! (looking at you, Promethean!) Our teachers also like to get the children up to interact. This is much easier with the smartboards. The LCDs seem to struggle with the inevitable errant fingers more than the Smart.
APMerry Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 Epson are now doing an ultra short throw interactive projector with pen and finger touch, been quoted £1680.
Arthur Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 PDF of article: https://pdf.yt/d/00x0qKyH_ZiunxpW 1
plexer Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 Still... Each to their own with this but people relying on IWB's are behind the times. It's not the technology that's relevant though it's how it's used and that will vary wildly, some staff use IWB's fantastically well and other just use them as a projection surface this won't change just by using a different tech. Ben 1
synaesthesia Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 Oh, I agree with that. Of the few IWB's we have here, we have precisely 2 members of 200 staff that would actually use them. To be fair they're pretty redundant in most cases - the suites have far more success with Impero with excellent use. Plus with mobile devices in classrooms, perhaps the whole idea will have gone before we need to worry about it soon. Oh, for a crystal ball.
pow Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 I think people get obsessed with ditching what they class as old technology these days, obsessed with 'oh they've been around for a while so I can't possibily carry on using them'. The last lot of projectors I bougth were £320 each and I'll be budgeting to replace boards next year. TBH, a board is ~£900 if you buy any quantity so you're still getting 2/3 IWB/Projector/Audio setups for one touchscreen. People making sweeping statements like 'they're old hat' perhaps don't stand and watch teachers actually using the equipment.
truebluesteve Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 We have around 90 IWB's and projectors here - most of them installed in 2006/2007. Over the last couple of years many of the Sahara projectors have deteriorated to the point that they have needed replacing, and we have started that process. I had a discussion with the Head about IWB v Touchscreens and we came to the agreement that we just couldn't justify the cost of the latter - £3000 + versus £900 for a new Hitachi UST projector. We can replace an IWB and projector for around £2000 , so even then the sums don't add up. The other issue I have - and the head agreed with me, is that we simply don't know how many staff actually use the IWB's interactively rather than just as glorified projector screen. If we surveyed them, I'm sure they would all say they did, but anecdotally we know that isn't the case I have nothing against touchscreen TV's at all, but until the cost comes down significantly I don't see us using them in the near future.
truebluesteve Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 It's not the technology that's relevant though it's how it's used and that will vary wildly, some staff use IWB's fantastically well and other just use them as a projection surface this won't change just by using a different tech. Ben Totally agree - and its the same with any technology; aren't iPads supposed to bee the answer to all of education's needs?
APMerry Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 aren't iPads supposed to bee the answer I'll have to report you to the mods if you use language like that again.
truebluesteve Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 I'll have to report you to the mods if you use language like that again. Yeah sorry - I will wash my mouth out It will be iP*d in future!
Ephelyon Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 Epson are now doing an ultra short throw interactive projector with pen and finger touch, been quoted £1680. If you mean the EB-595Wi (which we've just got our first of, as demo'd last BETT), you can find it cheaper here. 1
kennysarmy Posted December 12, 2014 Author Posted December 12, 2014 Is that this? Wow... what a website. Education Magazine The very same !!!!
Sagima Posted December 12, 2014 Posted December 12, 2014 If you mean the EB-595Wi (which we've just got our first of, as demo'd last BETT), you can find it cheaper here. We got one of those in an effort to "sell" it to teachers who wanted either the screens or the IWBs. They love the 100" display, the independent pens and the responsiveness but we hit a snag with the moving to 16:9/16:10. The monitor and projector are split from the same source but the projector forces the monitor's resolution down to roughly 1280x800 or a nearby similar one but almost all of the teacher's board work has been done to fit 1280x1024 so it suddenly has a slidey bar to reach the bottom of it. The non interactive EB-585W we have doesn't do this and just projects the 1080p monitor as is so doesn't have the bar. Have tried extended desktop, network projection, a 1200p monitor and duplicating rather than using splitters but it always lowers the resolution of the source screen so we get a slidey bar. Not sure where we'll end up putting it now - might let departments bid on who wants it based on its vertical resolution problem. The head wants 16:9 or 16:10 boards so they match the windows' tablets many of the staff have and saves us buying new 5:4 screens for everyone as the classroom ones are about 8 years old now. 1
jon_nais Posted December 15, 2014 Posted December 15, 2014 The Epson EB595Wi 's native resolution is 1280x800 so I would say it is doing its job. Our school is trying to find replacements to our promethean IWB, unfortunately they are trying to force through the issue and decide on one format, tv, interactive tv or projector/iwb. I don't think this is what the teachers want or need. The trouble is we have over 100 promethean boards and some are just getting to their end of life so something needs to get done soon. We do have a few touchscreens in our nursery classrooms, but we have had issues with two of them that meant the rooms were without screens for 2 weeks and 5 weeks. We've got Epson round in January so will see the 595Wi's and see if they are going to be a goer or not...
localzuk Posted December 15, 2014 Posted December 15, 2014 The 16:9 -> 4:3 adjustment is not specific to Epson's projector. It is going to happen with all new projectors, tvs and screens unless you specifically buy ones that operate in the old 4:3 ratio. Epson aren't forcing the issue - widescreen is now here to stay, and it is the predominant type of device industry-wide.
JRowley Posted December 15, 2014 Posted December 15, 2014 (edited) I would expect that as the prices fall on touch screen LCD panels that you will see the physical component of an interactive whiteboard just stop being sold, it will be very difficult to justify the requirement for it soon. I'm sure the software will still be there, and perhaps the likes of Smart will just focus on selling their own touch screen LCD panels (infact looking at Smart just now they have started to push a 4k touch screen). I can't personally think of a reason to choose an IWB + projector instead of a touch screen. Edited December 15, 2014 by JRowley
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