kevin_lane Posted February 16, 2011 Posted February 16, 2011 I have just been givin a price around the 8k mark for this new licence with ees. Now I have a feeling this is wrong. pardon me but what the HELL! is going on with EES licensing does anyone know lol. I also rang M$ and they dont know ANYTHING about what is going on with this new licence model i was on the phone for like an hour and half and most thme I was on hold whlist tried to find out all I keep seeing is you only need to licence the number of staff you have. and if you want software assureance and if you want to give out office to staff and students etc etc I cant see any easy way for it to tell me. what i need to do with my servers e.g tell them how many i have or what software is in it e.g SQL or Sharepoint or even how many computers are in the school. and time is running out any one in the same boat as me?
Willott Posted February 16, 2011 Posted February 16, 2011 From my understanding: You license your desktop packs based upon the number of full time staff you have. You license your servers based on the number of licenses you require for the servers/services you run (ie if you have 10 Windows servers, 2 SQL and 1 Exchange you'll get 10 windows server licences, 2 SQL licences [dependant on whether you're licensing per CPU or what for your SQL] and 1 Exchange licence) Work at home rights for staff seem to be included (but it's that old must be used for work purposes thing which mean I've never given this out!) Software Assurance also seems included Student licensing is available for their home computers, seems to be purchased on a per student basis, minimum of 100 licences
ronnoco Posted February 16, 2011 Posted February 16, 2011 You can choose what software to license. I received a price for Windows 7 and Office 2010 based on 92 members of staff (anyone who does over 200 hours a year who could have a access to a computer) Here are the per year prices : - 92 x WinPro ALNG UpgrdSAPk OLV E 1Y Ent £12.93 £1,189.56 92 x OfficeProPlusEdu ALNG LicSAPk OLV E 1Y Ent £17.51 £1,610.92 Teachers and students can also purchase boxed products at the indivudual price listed above. We got our quote through our software reseller which in our case is Phoenix Software. Hope this helps! Gary
Robbocop Posted February 16, 2011 Posted February 16, 2011 EES is indeed based on a fixed sub price per FTE staff count. You can buy individual licences for Win7, Office (Win and Mac versions now) and CALs, or you can buy a desktop suite of all three together. There is a minimum order size of 300 "points" ie it's 1 point per licence so a desktop suite licence is 3 points. However, schools who were on the old Schools scheme with more points than that are not being asked to resubmit to reach the minimum. Kevin, have a read of this document from MS, which is the clearest one I've found so far. http://download.microsoft.com/download/D/7/7/D7702BE5-3FC2-4E3E-9465-35E66EF1AE8C/EES_program_guide.docx 2
ticker Posted February 16, 2011 Posted February 16, 2011 I thought pricing hadn’t been realised for EES yet!
localzuk Posted February 16, 2011 Posted February 16, 2011 I thought pricing hadn’t been realised for EES yet! Pricing came out a week or so ago. The scheme doesn't start until March though.
Robbocop Posted February 16, 2011 Posted February 16, 2011 As localzuk says, pricing is with all us resellers now. Although the program doesn't start till March one of the MS guys at BETT told me that any existing scheme ending in February would not need to be renewed if schools preferred to switch to EES. They'll allow a "grace period" to cover the gap.
Theblacksheep Posted February 16, 2011 Posted February 16, 2011 As localzuk says, pricing is with all us resellers now. Whats the enterprise desktop cost?
Robbocop Posted February 16, 2011 Posted February 16, 2011 Most people will be on level E pricing and should pay about £35 per staff member for the enterprise desktop suite with Core CAL, and about £43 per staff member for the version with Enterprise CAL. Bear in mind that the total price is worked out on staff head count, but the EES licence does cover all devices on the site. Check the doc link I posted to work out your FTE head count. You can add other things like additional licences (servers and other services), staff copies and student copies, but if you want a proper quotation from a reseller you need to list everything and give us your FTE number. The pricelist is huge and very complex and I wouldn't be comfortable trying to quote anything on the forum. But I hope that gives you an indication anyway. 3
Hecate Posted February 16, 2011 Posted February 16, 2011 Can someone tell me where the 200hrs per year comes from for FTE. I haven't been able to find a figure in any of the literature.
ronnoco Posted February 16, 2011 Posted February 16, 2011 Microsoft UK Education - Types of Educational Licence - EES
sonofsanta Posted February 16, 2011 Posted February 16, 2011 So how does the formula come in to play if the barrier for "full time" is set at 200 hours per year? I don't know what working conditions are like at Microsoft but if 4 hours a week is enough to get you full time pay I'm going to start keeping my eyes open...
Robbocop Posted February 16, 2011 Posted February 16, 2011 So how does the formula come in to play if the barrier for "full time" is set at 200 hours per year? I don't know what working conditions are like at Microsoft but if 4 hours a week is enough to get you full time pay I'm going to start keeping my eyes open... Heh! I know what you mean. The answer as to why the figure looks so low is no doubt that it bumps up the FTE figure so you need to buy more Seriously though EES is working out far cheaper for most of the people we've quoted so far. There might be a slight problem for very small or low IT provisioned schools who haven't been on a School contract before. Regardless of your FTE count you have to hit a minimum points level of 300 unless you've already qualified in the past. Any school already on a School or Campus agreement should be looking at EES.
kevin_lane Posted February 16, 2011 Author Posted February 16, 2011 thanks for all the info i will def be looking at that doc
kevin_lane Posted February 16, 2011 Author Posted February 16, 2011 Hi sorry just looked at the doc yea i have got it and been reading through it. and been trying to wrap my head around this so i have the figures of my FTE staff (head count) i got told that there wasn't a min any more you just give them the count of how many staff you have. is this wrong ? i def want to take up the student software and staff but what about other software such as my data protection manager and what if i want system config manager 2007. this is a bit new too me so I'm sorry if I'm coming across dumb but going from counting how many computers to how many full time staff we have is giving me a bit of a head ace and how they work it all out and just making sure its legal as well. also how does it work as are an Microsoft Academy Partner
johnymac Posted March 1, 2011 Posted March 1, 2011 I tried to summarize/simplify EES for Primary Schools: What Microsoft’s new EES licensing model means for Primary Schools | John McLear's School Technology
johnymac Posted March 1, 2011 Posted March 1, 2011 Quickly bashed up a very rough calculator that takes into account replacing licenses and probably doesn't fit for your environment but gives you an idea of cost non the less.. It's mostly focused on Primary so probably useless for secondariness but it's here anyway: jQuery UI Slider - Default functionality
OverWorked Posted March 2, 2011 Posted March 2, 2011 I've just finished reading the EES Licensing Guide that Robbocop linked to. It mentions in several places a 300 unit minimum purchase. From reading that doc, the basic Win7 + Office + CALs desktop counts as 3 units per FTE staff. Other apps are 1 unit each (I think). So, if you've got less than 100 staff (like we have) then you'd have to buy extra products to make up the units to 300. See the Volume Licensing Product List. Then I spoke to a supplier who told me that the 300 point minimum no longer applies. Anyone else knows anything about this 300 point minimum?
plexer Posted March 2, 2011 Posted March 2, 2011 Best speak to a licencing MCP I've got one ringing me in a fortnight Ben
OverWorked Posted March 2, 2011 Posted March 2, 2011 Best speak to a licencing MCP I've got one ringing me in a fortnight Ben Is it taking them that long to work it out?
Cache Posted March 2, 2011 Posted March 2, 2011 I've just finished reading the EES Licensing Guide that Robbocop linked to. It mentions in several places a 300 unit minimum purchase. From reading that doc, the basic Win7 + Office + CALs desktop counts as 3 units per FTE staff. Other apps are 1 unit each (I think). So, if you've got less than 100 staff (like we have) then you'd have to buy extra products to make up the units to 300. See the Volume Licensing Product List. Then I spoke to a supplier who told me that the 300 point minimum no longer applies. Anyone else knows anything about this 300 point minimum? I've asked 4 suppliers (and another one is calling me tomorrow to discuss it, so I'll check again) and all of them have said that the 300 minimum units do not apply.
Edu-IT Posted March 2, 2011 Posted March 2, 2011 From reading that doc, the basic Win7 + Office + CALs desktop counts as 3 units per FTE staff. Other apps are 1 unit each (I think). So, if you've got less than 100 staff (like we have) then you'd have to buy extra products to make up the units to 300. We brought less than 300, quite a lot less.
john Posted March 2, 2011 Posted March 2, 2011 I've just finished reading the EES Licensing Guide that Robbocop linked to. It mentions in several places a 300 unit minimum purchase. From reading that doc, the basic Win7 + Office + CALs desktop counts as 3 units per FTE staff. Other apps are 1 unit each (I think). So, if you've got less than 100 staff (like we have) then you'd have to buy extra products to make up the units to 300. See the Volume Licensing Product List. Then I spoke to a supplier who told me that the 300 point minimum no longer applies. Anyone else knows anything about this 300 point minimum? I don't know of this 300 point part anymore, they didn't mention it either at the MS Edugeek even last week where we had a session on EES and how it works. So I don't think its applicable anymore / for us. Ruth (The Licensing Guru) at Insight will know
sparkeh Posted March 2, 2011 Posted March 2, 2011 Just to point out that most institutions will actually be under the Open Value Subscription Educational Solution (OVS-ES). This RM page explains it pretty well, especially the table under the features section. 1
ronnoco Posted March 3, 2011 Posted March 3, 2011 We have 96 staff and had a quote for just Win 7 upgrade and Office 2010 which seemed very reasonable. Also, (i'm told) staff can use the products you buy on their home computers at no cost and students can but a boxed copy of the product at the individual coat, i.e (for us) Win 7 = £12.93 and Office 2010 £17.58 Hope this helps.
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