Paying back training fee if i leave ??

[difinity]

Hello, i am a IT technician at a school in Leicestershire, i was recently sent on a Microsoft training course 70-291. This was enable me to help out more on the network side of things to help out our network manager.

I have now been asked by the business manager to sign a contract that states that if i leave within 6 months i have to pay back 100% of the fee, between 6 months and a year 75%, between 1 year and 18 months 50% and between 18 months and 2 years 25%.

 

My question is are there any other technicians especially from Leicestershire that have encountered this ? The business manager says its a council policy, however the document has no logo or name on.

 

cheers

[ozzy]

Did you ask to go on the course? or did the school ask you to do it?

[ICT_GUY]

If you have had the training, then why sign? They should have notified you before you took the class. There is no way I would sign that after the event.

 

I doubt that they could force you to sign, though you could always use the "I will check with my union rep first" bluff and see what your boss says.

[bossman]

It is normal procedure but usually asked before you attend the course, i would think that it has been an afterthought on behalf of your HR or they are incredibly slow.

 

I wouldn't read to much into it unless you are thinking of leaving them suddenly in which they are only safeguarding themselves as would you in their position.

[difinity]

Hi, ozzy, they asked me if i wanted to go on the course, and ICT_GUY, yeah i had the same thought, why sign if i've already done it.

If/when i take the exam i guess they won't send me on any more training until i do sign.

 

thankyou

[pete]

Discover if teachers have to pay back training fees for courses if they leave within 2 years.

[jcollings]

It would seem reasonable to ask you to sign this before going on the course and indeed I have worked in many places where this is the norm. However to do it after attendance is unreasonable and I probably wouldn't sign it on that basis.

[joe90bass]

I agree, perfectly reasonable before the training. A bit unfair after. I would have a chat with your union rep. It may be that you can meet half way? Shows your willing to cooperate, but not be pushed into it!?

 

As for teachers getting the same treatment, doesn't a lot of their funding come from central pots rather than school budget? Worth asking though!

[srochford]

This kind of thing is often built into contracts and if it is then I think it's actually irrelevant if you sign an extra piece of paper before or after you go on the course.

 

It would be nice if you were reminded of this at the time you booked the course ...

[Sylv3r]

The school here is heavily into CPD and developing staff even if it meant them moving on. Nobody would be asked to sign anything like that here.

[russdev]

Hello from across the pond (well the soar valley) well just about to start mcsa paid for by the school and head did say i wasn't allowed to leave for next 25 years hope he was joking

 

But as far as aware no official policy from Leicestershire on this certainly not seen anything on eis..

[gaz350]

perhaps you should get them to sign a piece of paper saying they wont transfer your services over to a managed service for the next 25 years

[somabc]

Tell them you want the 2 years salary upfront as a show of good faith. That will put the wind up them .

 

The only problem that you face is if you refuse to sign they could be reluctant to send you on further courses.

 

Still I would refuse to sign on principle as this was not made clear before you took the course. Tackle any future training problems next time it comes up.

[Face-Man]

I would point out that now you are better qualified that you would be happy to sign the contract if they add the cost of the course to your wage package ...

Realistically anything that is not arranged before you were trained as a term and conditions for the school paying for the training is unreasonable. I take it your school doesn't have investors in people status !

[john]

As others have said, asking after you've done it is wrong, before it could be considered, also if they are wanting it signing now you want them to, on successful passing of the exam, and your certified new skills in that area, ensure that you are appropriatly paid for the proven new skills you have. I'm very sure if I'd have got my foundation degree from Lancaster Uni that my old place wouldn't have paid me the correct rate for my skills, they didn't when I didn't have bits of paper so who says they would with them!

[difinity]

Thanks for all your input people, some things to think about and i will be contacting either the union or county hall for their take on this issue.

 

And yes my school does have investors in school status, should that make a difference?

[Kitkatninja]

And yes my school does have investors in school status, should that make a difference?

 

Shouldn't do. I believe what is fair to both sides is that if you leave within a year then you repay the full amount, after a year I believe the slate should be wiped cleaned. Technology moves so fast by the time you don't have to pay for the course Windows XP's support from MS would have be discontinued

[apoth0r]

Sounds interesting, imo i wouldn't let them get away with that kind of thing. Schools have a CPD budget, if you were asked to go on it then obviously there was a need for the skill for the school. They can't then say oh by the way, your new skills you've aquired are now ours and can you put this leash around your neck, it's unfair and you wouldn't have that if you were a teacher, guaranteed. Disappointing schools now want their cake AND eat it, if you're that much of a liability (in a leaving sense) why put you on it at all?

I would tell them that it's an unreasonable request now that you've been on the course and wouldn't of bothered if it meant 'terms and conditions'.

I feel disappointed that you've been treated this way, what ever happened to a 'golden handshake', much more appropriate, gives each party a little respect and removes the leash from the whole equation.

Good luck with it all though buddy.

[Zoom7000]

Discover if teachers have to pay back training fees for courses if they leave within 2 years.

 

Yeah, that is a very good point. I very much doubt they have to sign any form of agreement.

[yabbadabba]

If there is nothing in your contract of employement covering the recovery of the costs of training should you leave, or you you were not asked in advance to sign anything in relation to this then at present you have to take no action at all.

 

I did leave a company 3 months after doing a training course, and yep I did have to pay back the cost of the course in full, but it was already written into my employement contract.

[tomscaper]

I have been put on a training course recently and i was not asked to sign any agreements in case i left school during. Personally i wouldn't as this should of been something up front.

As others have said, tell them you have to speak to your union first, but on another note surely once the training has been paid for you cant really stop the person from attending and expect money back. Could they really get you removed from the course as your registered under your name and not that of the school.

[jcollings]

Yeah, that is a very good point. I very much doubt they have to sign any form of agreement.

 

With respect it is a very irrelevant point. It makes no difference if teachers do or don't pay back cpd fees - they are on completely different terms and conditions.

[featured_spectre]

I work in bedfordshire and I sign before I go on courses to say that I won't leave within 6 months, after that it is considered paid on both sides. They once tried getting me to sign afterwards but I told them no and they would have to accept my word that I wouldn't leave. Since then I signed contracts before I go on training courses.

[Hightower]

I took a job last year and said I would only accept the position if they put me on my uni course. I left after 5 months and now they are trying to reclaim the fee's. This has been going on since January and it has my head done in.

 

Wouldn't have minded if they sat me down before and said sign this - but to just get the City Treasurers trying to take me to court after I left is a joke. I'm standing my ground with it and I expect to win.

[featured_spectre]

As a condition of you joining you asked them to put you on the course, but as a condition of you joining, they probably put a term in your contract saying that if you left within 2 years you had to pay it back in full, thats pretty standard for councils.