Coronavirus: General discussion (see opening post for rules)

[enbiggen]

One thing to remember - even if we protect the most vulnerable with a vaccine - is that we can't let it proliferate amongst everyone else. The more people it proliferates amongst, the more likely that a variant which the vaccine is less effective against will be able to take hold, which means the most vulnerable become at increasing risk again.

[Primus]

It's worth noting that we've inoculated something like 92% of all people aged over 70 as of now. That number will only increase.

The point of which is to make sure the older generations do not catch, or at least catch only mild Covid once the schools reopen.

 

We're going to have to trust in that at some point and it looks to me like the roadmap we have (schools first, rule of six, later then shops, pubs in time etc) are designed to allow time increase the number of vaccinated people and also monitor the effects of each successive relaxing of power.

In theory, with so many of the most at-risk currently vaccinated and with social contact between families still tight (for the next 3 weeks at least) the opening of schools is unlikely to have a major impact on deaths further up the risk register.

 

Unless students have vulnerable family members at home who haven't yet had the vaccine or have only recently had it and they take covid home to them...

[jmak]

One thing to remember - even if we protect the most vulnerable with a vaccine - is that we can't let it proliferate amongst everyone else. The more people it proliferates amongst, the more likely that a variant which the vaccine is less effective against will be able to take hold, which means the most vulnerable become at increasing risk again.

Important point.

 

Also why we need to share out the vaccine ASAP, otherwise will never be able to safely opens the borders again.

[mavhc]

We never closed our borders, that's why we have such high rates of infection

[Ditto]

We never closed our borders, that's why we have such high rates of infection

What percentage of infection is knowingly linked to someone traveling in to the country versus the percentage internally transmitted.

[Andrew_C]

versus the percentage internally transmitted.

Say at Cheltenham Festival*, Eating Out to Help Out, "Saved Christmas", schools re-opening without proper mitigation in September and January (watch this space for March)

 

In better news - some science techs are reporting being able to have a jab early if they are doing LF testing. Others have been turned away. Worth letting any staff involved know, and they can check local availability.

 

 

* Described by someone as an example of how to design super-spreader event.

[mikeprice]

On another forum some people who are over 59 are reporting being able to book a vaccination despite not getting a letter yet

 

the website says you have to be over 64 - but the system seems to work on 'over 59'

 

so if you know anyone in that category - tell them to give it a go - you have to enter your birth date so you are not cheating!

 

will also apply when we go doen to the next age group - so keep an eye out!!

[Andrew_C]

On another forum some people who are over 59 are reporting being able to book a vaccination despite not getting a letter yet

 

the website says you have to be over 64 - but the system seems to work on 'over 59'

 

so if you know anyone in that category - tell them to give it a go - you have to enter your birth date so you are not cheating!

 

will also apply when we go doen to the next age group - so keep an eye out!!

Over 59? Very interesting!

[elsiegee40]

Those aged 60+ can book vaccines here in Tonbridge. I believe it’s the same where @witch is. You don’t have to wait for a letter. Just go to the web booking, ideally with your NHS number, and book a slot.

 

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/book-coronavirus-vaccination/

[mikeprice]

Neighbours have had their letters

 

except for the lady opposite who is a bit younger

 

serves her right for being young!!!!

She appears to be making her husband clear out the garage in revenge as far as I can see!!

[witch]

It seems to be if you are 60 here you can book. And it works, had mine today

[stevejp]

It seems to be if you are 60 here you can book. And it works, had mine today

 

(@mikeprice, please take note - a technique you may find useful...)

 

“But @witch, you don’t look anywhere near 60.”

[mikeprice]

(@mikeprice, please take note - a technique you may find useful...)

 

“But @witch, you don’t look anywhere near 60.”

 

teacher's pet!!!

[stevejp]

teacher's pet!!!

 

Nope! Just too busy to be turned into a frog, right at this moment in time - call it insurance for the next time I do something silly...

[mikeprice]

Nope! Just too busy to be turned into a frog, right at this moment in time - call it insurance for the next time I do something silly...

 

I'll give a couple of days!!

 

 

 

ANYWAY - back on topic

 

Had the vaccine last Wednesday - felt fine except for slightly tender arm

 

Yesterday I wasn;t so sure - intermittent very brief (i.e. a few seconds) headache every now and again - which is very unusual for me

today - kinda OK - headachy thing still there - feeling a bit lethargic - so went for a bike ride which normally cures it

 

got back and had lunch - then decided to power wash the patio - got half way through and felt too bad to continue

ended up going back to bed for an hour

 

I'm blaming the vaccine

 

hopefully I'm right and it'll all go in a day or so

 

otherwise I'm worrying too much - but being me I won't tell myself what I'm worrying about - I'm like that!!!

[witch]

Remember that the face of witch that you see may not be the reality. Those wrinkles are just to fit in with others. My true appearance would be too difficult for you to comprehend

 

I've just looked at my arm and currently, 5 hours in, I cant even see where the injection was.

[Boredguy]

I'll give a couple of days!!

 

 

 

ANYWAY - back on topic

 

Had the vaccine last Wednesday - felt fine except for slightly tender arm

 

Yesterday I wasn;t so sure - intermittent very brief (i.e. a few seconds) headache every now and again - which is very unusual for me

today - kinda OK - headachy thing still there - feeling a bit lethargic - so went for a bike ride which normally cures it

 

got back and had lunch - then decided to power wash the patio - got half way through and felt too bad to continue

ended up going back to bed for an hour

 

I'm blaming the vaccine

 

hopefully I'm right and it'll all go in a day or so

 

otherwise I'm worrying too much - but being me I won't tell myself what I'm worrying about - I'm like that!!!

If you had the "Oxford" one that would fit from others I know that have had it.

 

However if you want to power wash some more patios when your feeling better.....

[Norphy]

I had the Pfizer one. I felt ok at first, apart from a sore arm, but after two or three days I came down with a headache and went between shivering and sweating profusely. Those are pretty common side effects according to the leaflet they have me.

 

My partner had the same jab a couple of days later. She’s come down with a pretty nasty rash a few days later.

[free780]

I had the Oxford one. Got flu symptoms the say after. Shivering, headaches, hot spells. Tiredness. After 24 hours it seems to have cleared up.

[mikeprice]

If you had the "Oxford" one that would fit from others I know that have had it.

 

However if you want to power wash some more patios when your feeling better.....

 

Nah - pfizer one

dunno why - wife had the oxford one at the same place

she had a sore arm for a few days - I was fine

now I'm feeling - possibly - some effects

 

and power washing a patio is only fun for a while

 

CLEARLY I would come over and do yours - but my power cable won't reach

nor will the hosepipe

 

so - sorry - not possible

 

 

I have the same problem with the electric car - can only just get as far as the road

Edited February 28, 2021 by mikeprice

[stevejp]

@mikeprice: A couple of days? You have more faith in me than most...

[jthompson]

Some of the best articles I've read about COVID in the UK have come from a foreign perspective. Things can be summarised more cleanly somehow when being written for a foreign audience.

 

This NY Times article is a great example.

 

New York Times: Behind the Lines of Britain’s Covid War

 

After almost a year of mixed messages, Covid still divides the land between those who know and dread its fearsome reach, and those seduced by unlikely promises and invented deadlines of redemption.

 

The disease’s impact has been witnessed most readily in half-empty streets, shuttered shops and missed pints. Its shadow world of suffering remains largely cloistered in cramped intensive care wards, teeming with patients, where doctors and nurses work out of sight to the brink of despair.

 

EDIT: nytimes.com has a paywall but that article should still be readable.

Edited March 1, 2021 by jthompson

[mavhc]

What percentage of infection is knowingly linked to someone traveling in to the country versus the percentage internally transmitted.

 

All of them, originally, and all non uk variants.

[Ditto]

All of them, originally, and all non uk variants.

Well, I guess in some that's true, but even including the so called variants. Couple of issues; borders could only have been fully closed after it had already got out as it wasn't spotted in time - and it's unlikely to ever to have been. Second, shutting down borders 100% globally is not realistic, they are other factors to consider and some of those would include consequences of death. That's the trouble with reality, it really gets in the way at times.

[6Foot2]

I have just heard that my niece (who is diabetic) has been offered the vaccination, but she has declined because she has heard that it "causes infertility"