DanTheLacky Posted July 26, 2017 Posted July 26, 2017 I don't want electric cars (well I don't oppose it), I wan't driverless cars! I want to be ferried around by a google car, so I can watch tv, read a book, maybe do some work on the laptopy-ma-bob, interactive with the kids or the Mrs properly without having to sit on a smelly, unreliable and expensive bus/train!
jthompson Posted July 26, 2017 Posted July 26, 2017 I don't want electric cars (well I don't oppose it), I wan't driverless cars! I want to be ferried around by a google car, so I can watch tv, read a book, maybe do some work on the laptopy-ma-bob, interactive with the kids or the Mrs properly without having to sit on a smelly, unreliable and expensive bus/train! I kind of agree, but I'd want ownership of the car: I'd want it as an extension of my own personal space/home rather than a glorified taxi, and I wouldn't want Google running it. Personal data and all that. Any data being put out by the car should be minimal (e.g. whatever vehicle-to-vehicle or vehicle-to-infrastructure comms are necessary to navigate the roads and traffic, but nothing more).
just_david Posted July 26, 2017 Posted July 26, 2017 I kind of agree, but I'd want ownership of the car: I'd want it as an extension of my own personal space/home rather than a glorified taxi, and I wouldn't want Google running it. Personal data and all that. Any data being put out by the car should be minimal (e.g. whatever vehicle-to-vehicle or vehicle-to-infrastructure comms are necessary to navigate the roads and traffic, but nothing more). I'd not want a driverless car for pretty much the reasons you listed. Everyone thinks they have the right to sell my data. I don't want anyone knowing where I'm going. I also dread to think how bad a 10 y/o driverless car with no satnav or firmware upgrades installed would play on any road network. or worse, an internet connected one pulling everything down on 33g or whatever we're on by then, pulling over and stopping cause I live in a bloody signal blackspot
localzuk Posted July 26, 2017 Posted July 26, 2017 It's a bit of a non-announcement really. 23 years is a huge amount of time. We may not even have our own cars by then... Just sounds good in the papers. 1
jthompson Posted July 26, 2017 Posted July 26, 2017 These days, a car doesn't need to pass an MOT until it's three years old. In the future, cars may fail an MOT after 3 years simply because they're no longer getting security updates. 1
jmak Posted July 26, 2017 Posted July 26, 2017 I kind of agree, but I'd want ownership of the car: I'd want it as an extension of my own personal space/home rather than a glorified taxi, and I wouldn't want Google running it. Personal data and all that. Any data being put out by the car should be minimal (e.g. whatever vehicle-to-vehicle or vehicle-to-infrastructure comms are necessary to navigate the roads and traffic, but nothing more). A Smart car of my own that I need to find somewhere to park and charge? Or an S Class that turns up when I need it, drops me at the door and then disappears to find somewhere to top up its charge? Less congestion, city streets less cluttered with parked cars. I'd give up ownership for that. Won't work for everyone's lifestyle, but it could be made to be more convenient than car ownership for a lot of people.
teejay Posted July 26, 2017 Posted July 26, 2017 One rather big problem, we don't have anywhere near enough electricity generation to do this, and don't have any plans to build enough power stations or other generating methods to meet the demand. 1
Michael Posted July 26, 2017 Posted July 26, 2017 I have to agree with the above. The strategy put forward is only half the battle; if it stays as it currently is, you're essentially moving the pollution problem around rather than reducing it.
mavhc Posted July 26, 2017 Posted July 26, 2017 Moving pollution away from next to where we walk is a good thing though. Plus I get about 33% of my energy back when braking. And natural gas power stations produce less pollution that burning oil near your house Regarding generating energy, solar panels will basically be free by 2040. Cover your house in solar panels and you can power your house, same again to power your transport needs. I get just over 4 miles/kwh in my car, and my 14 solar panels generated 3277kWh last year, so that would be 12000 miles
LeMarchand Posted July 27, 2017 Posted July 27, 2017 Regarding generating energy, solar panels will basically be free by 2040. "Basically" is relative. You've obviously managed to get sorted already, but the sums didn't add up for us and unless the government is going to fit and install them for actually free they'll still be out of many people's reach. Plus anyone with a shared roof (apartment/flat dwellers) isn't going to be able to do this.
localzuk Posted July 27, 2017 Posted July 27, 2017 I think further regulations will come out of this. Things like new multi-occupancy developments requiring street-side charging posts. I can see there being a quick planning route for retro-fitting them at the curb-edge also. Tax relief for businesses installing them etc... Obviously, this won't cover 100% of people 100% of the time, but we can get close relatively easily.
Bedders Posted July 27, 2017 Posted July 27, 2017 I love the idea of charge points outside peoples' houses. Free electricity for me! Or are they going to be on a pay meter/some kind of PIN allowing use? How secure are these methods going to be? How quickly might they become outdated?
localzuk Posted July 27, 2017 Posted July 27, 2017 I love the idea of charge points outside peoples' houses. Free electricity for me! Or are they going to be on a pay meter/some kind of PIN allowing use? How secure are these methods going to be? How quickly might they become outdated? I'd imagine they'll be locked ones, for the residents of the associated properties. We do already have an issue with multiple charging connector types - so I think we may need regulation on that too. I believe there's 7 different possible connectors at the moment around the world. I think that's reduced in the UK though.
Davit2005 Posted July 27, 2017 Posted July 27, 2017 I'd imagine they'll be locked ones, for the residents of the associated properties. We do already have an issue with multiple charging connector types - so I think we may need regulation on that too. I believe there's 7 different possible connectors at the moment around the world. I think that's reduced in the UK though. At least 2 different types in the UK.
DanTheLacky Posted July 27, 2017 Posted July 27, 2017 I can see the scams now, people charging huge battery banks at someone else's cost 😁
DJ-1701 Posted July 27, 2017 Posted July 27, 2017 ...Regarding generating energy, solar panels will basically be free by 2040... Oh! Solar panels on cars! Would mean they would have to have some protective coating on them for when they get mucky, or it snows though...
6Foot2 Posted July 27, 2017 Author Posted July 27, 2017 Oh! Solar panels on cars!.. Mr. Fusion! Bring it on! 1
ChickenDhansak Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 Wireless car charging https://www.pluglesspower.com/learn-about-plugless/
jthompson Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 Mr. Fusion! Bring it on! [ATTACH=CONFIG]44743[/ATTACH] Oh man! Is it 2015 already?
6Foot2 Posted July 28, 2017 Author Posted July 28, 2017 Oh man! Is it 2015 already? 2015 delivery was expected, but did not happen. Still waiting...
Rob_D Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 Wireless car charging https://www.pluglesspower.com/learn-about-plugless/ Cool! My (slightly impractical) solution has always been, induction charging in the motorways - I know there are a lot of problems with this right now, but with a few years R&D, maybe.
DJ-1701 Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 Mr. Fusion! Bring it on! [ATTACH=CONFIG]44743[/ATTACH] Oh man! Is it 2015 already? 2015 delivery was expected, but did not happen. Still waiting... Unfortunately someone changed the timeline, so this hasn't happened yet... and Biff is now President of the USA. 1
SamanthaD Posted July 28, 2017 Posted July 28, 2017 Getting the bus in and out of Bristol works out nearly twice the price of driving in, even more with 2 people. Even the park and ride is more expensive than driving in and parking in the center First buses unlimited travel on P&R and Bristol Inner Zone's annual charge is £650. Working on approx 221 working days a year (take away weekends, holidays, BH's etc) that's £2.95 a day. Parking in Trenchard Street car park (nearest to my work) is £10 a day (or £2074 a year - £9.38 based on the 221 days) . Then add fuel. Do you know somewhere better to park than I do?
just_david Posted July 29, 2017 Posted July 29, 2017 First buses unlimited travel on P&R and Bristol Inner Zone's annual charge is £650. Working on approx 221 working days a year (take away weekends, holidays, BH's etc) that's £2.95 a day. Parking in Trenchard Street car park (nearest to my work) is £10 a day (or £2074 a year - £9.38 based on the 221 days) . Then add fuel. Do you know somewhere better to park than I do? I have access to some free parking, but the £10. A day is what I work on And I'm not in inner Bristol My bus ticket in is £6 a day, or £4 on the park and ride 2 people and my cars cheaper Tbf the only reason I go through the centre of Bristol these days is I have access to some free parking, if I didn't I'd only ever go to cribbs. Gotta admit though it's never occurred to me to check a bus pass, if I work in the centre again I might have too, I'd much rather have my evo back and do 3k miles a year than the 15k plus I'm on course for this year
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