dry Posted February 24, 2016 Posted February 24, 2016 Just buy Veeam.... virtualise anything physical and use that and nothing else. Your stress levels will thank you. Hmm, interesting... Do you do this yourself? What do you do when student x needs single file y recovering after 'accidentally' deleting it?
sparkeh Posted February 24, 2016 Posted February 24, 2016 Hmm, interesting... Do you do this yourself? What do you do when student x needs single file y recovering after 'accidentally' deleting it? Recover it?
dry Posted February 24, 2016 Posted February 24, 2016 Recover it? But if you're backing up the entire VM (and only as a VM) with Veeam, surely an entire VM recovery is needed? Or can you drill down and recover an individual file with Veeam? Sorry, I've only got experience of BackupExec and never used Veeam free or paid-for editions. I got the impression you can only back up/restore entire VMs with it.
sparkeh Posted February 24, 2016 Posted February 24, 2016 But if you're backing up the entire VM (and only as a VM) with Veeam, surely an entire VM recovery is needed? Or can you drill down and recover an individual file with Veeam? Sorry, I've only got experience of BackupExec and never used Veeam free or paid-for editions. I got the impression you can only back up/restore entire VMs with it. Yep it does file level recovery 1
dry Posted February 24, 2016 Posted February 24, 2016 Yep it does file level recovery Ooh! Even the free edition?
sidewinder Posted February 24, 2016 Posted February 24, 2016 Veeam for VM and Backup Exec 2010 for data but soon will ditch BE totally, utterly pointless backing data up twice. Until recently I didn't realise Veeam did file level backup either. It's a bit of a faff to restore but it does work, and it's rare I have to do it. Oh and D2D2D, dumped tapes years ago
sparkeh Posted February 24, 2016 Posted February 24, 2016 Ooh! Even the free edition? Well according to the comparision chart it is 'partially supported':http://veeampdf.s3.amazonaws.com/datasheet/veeam_backup_9_0_free_vs_paid_comparison_en.pdf?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJI4MX44AEVG3NBLA&Expires=1456330876&Signature=I9QJiATmauYAuyO8i0SN9o6Ex%2FE%3D Not sure what that means though without further investigation. 1
sparkeh Posted February 24, 2016 Posted February 24, 2016 (edited) Until recently I didn't realise Veeam did file level backup either. It's a bit of a faff to restore but it does work, and it's rare I have to do it. Are you doing via the UI on the server or the Enterprise Manager via a browser? Doing it via the browser is dead easy. edit: that assumes you have Enterprise version. edit 2: Not sure, Standard might have the web based management after all (I'll stop editing now!). Edited February 24, 2016 by sparkeh
sidewinder Posted February 24, 2016 Posted February 24, 2016 Are you doing via the UI on the server or the Enterprise Manager via a browser? Doing it via the browser is dead easy. edit: that assumes you have Enterprise version. Via the UI on the server, had never even heard of Enterprise Manager Looks like I do have the enterprise version so will have to check it out, thanks!
sparkeh Posted February 24, 2016 Posted February 24, 2016 Via the UI on the server, had never even heard of Enterprise Manager Looks like I do have the enterprise version so will have to check it out, thanks! No worries. Here is an installation guide: https://helpcenter.veeam.com/evaluation/backup/vsphere/en/em_setup.html Its really does make veeam easier to manager 1
crwardell Posted February 24, 2016 Posted February 24, 2016 Ooh! Even the free edition? Using the free version here and yes file level recovery is possible :-) 1
mrforgetful Posted February 25, 2016 Posted February 25, 2016 Just in discussions with HP for some HP servers and an MSA2040 to virtualise all my remaining stuff, will look into VEEAM it sounds good.
Asad_Symitry Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 (edited) Really depends on what your current infrastructure is to see what would make the most sense for you backup wise. Also comes down to how much you want to spend lol. Do you mind giving a quick overview of your existing environment? Edited March 3, 2016 by elsiegee40
pirran Posted March 3, 2016 Posted March 3, 2016 Vmware on a dell VRTX box, big raid array. vSphere replication using a separate dell server with a Dell SAN attached (iScsi) - separate physical location on site to main servers vSphere also has a Synology 8 disk NAS as a target - separate physical location vSphere twice yearly backup - USB 3, manual task. Users also have access to the 365 environment although the majority of data is local storage. Emails are hosted in the cloud only (365). +1 for vSphere from me, best solution i've used yet 1
chris_uk Posted March 3, 2016 Posted March 3, 2016 I've signed up for a moth free trial so I can get a rough idea of the true cost - did a small test and 13GB worked out at 11p (10p for storage and 1p for block transfer) My intention is to use Azure to hold monthly backups so looking at 2-3TB Have backups happening this weekend to determine if the costs etc Out of interest what are your costs looking like?
mdrabble Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 Out of interest what are your costs looking like? I had just over 2TB of data on the backup vault and for the month it dashboard estimated it approx £56 The trail I had has now ended so I'm left deciding if I want to carry on or think of another solution.
Areku Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 Entirely Virtual here, (cept for the best practices loner physical DC) Veeam Backup and Replication for Hyper-V (about 14 servers) Then the Veeam Free "Desktop" Backup for the few physical machines we have, have tested it on server, does fine just unsupported obviously. We have a Dedicated Veeam, backup server, which has access to Internal Storage (about 5tb), San Storage (an additional 3TB), Then it also has Access To a NAS (10TB) located in a different building on the campus. At any time in case of emergency I'm able to recover the entirety of our VM suite, to a few hours ago. With the Physicals, its a day or so MAX. 1
maxrebo Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 Entirely Virtual here, (cept for the best practices loner physical DC) Veeam Backup and Replication for Hyper-V (about 14 servers) Then the Veeam Free "Desktop" Backup for the few physical machines we have, have tested it on server, does fine just unsupported obviously. We have a Dedicated Veeam, backup server, which has access to Internal Storage (about 5tb), San Storage (an additional 3TB), Then it also has Access To a NAS (10TB) located in a different building on the campus. At any time in case of emergency I'm able to recover the entirety of our VM suite, to a few hours ago. With the Physicals, its a day or so MAX. I'm looking into a dedicated Veeam backup server also, just a few questions, is this a physical or virtual box? and what spec is the server you running it on?
Areku Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 Physical Poweredge R710 Xeon [email protected] 24gb Ram Maybe a bit overkill but it was left over from a project, and just got re-purposed.
PotNoodleTech Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 It doesn't need to be a mad spec. At least 4 cores preferably 8 and at least 8GB ram preferably 16 or more. Really what server you buy or repurpose comes down to how you want the internal storage, e.g. 4 x 3.5" drives are the minimum, 12 x 3.5" drives is ideal (as the 3.5" 4GB+ drives are much cheaper) and 24+ x 2.5" if you want to max storage and retention and you have lots of cash!
hallb15 Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 We use Altaro to backup our VMs to NAS and offsite copy to second NAS in another building. No tapes for us anymore.
MattDLEA Posted March 11, 2016 Posted March 11, 2016 I had just over 2TB of data on the backup vault and for the month it dashboard estimated it approx £56 The trail I had has now ended so I'm left deciding if I want to carry on or think of another solution. @mdrabble How did you get on with this? Is it difficult to set up? We have about 300Gb data to back up
mdrabble Posted March 11, 2016 Posted March 11, 2016 @mdrabble How did you get on with this? Is it difficult to set up? We have about 300Gb data to back up By the time the full month ended the true cost approx. £80. The process for DPM to Azure is fairly straight forward, the Azure bit more or less tells you what you need to do. On the trial I did, I opted for Geo-Redundant option - the Local Redundant is much cheaper - as they move your data between servers in that data center instead of bouncing between data centers in Europe. Once you select your redundancy option you cannot change it unless you start again. Hope that helps
Simcfc73 Posted March 11, 2016 Posted March 11, 2016 I've been using Azure with DPM for a while just to backup my DPM database and server. I don't think our internet would be happy doing a full backup over the wire. User Firestreamer for off site disk backup
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