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synaesthesia

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Can't say I'm entirely surprised - but in Apple's defence (yes, I do it occasionally!) is that really that different to *anyone's* phone? OK that requires triangulation from signal strengths but that's just a slightly more direct way of doing it.
TechMonkey

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It's an OSX application.

The data isn't that useful as it seems to be wildly inaccurate at times. I've not extensively referenced the places and my diary but there are some very out there responses. I'm not sure how much that is down to the quick and dirty nature of the app or the inaccuracy of mast triangulation. Plus not sure what the colour coding and size of the blobs represent.

 

Mixture of quite cool and scary to me though. Interesting as well it was implemented in an update.

FN-GM

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I have loaded the software on my Macbook. It tells me my iPhone was in Scotland at one point. I know that this isnt true. Isnt that accurate.
Norphy

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Can't say I'm entirely surprised - but in Apple's defence (yes, I do it occasionally!) is that really that different to *anyone's* phone? OK that requires triangulation from signal strengths but that's just a slightly more direct way of doing it.

 

Phones may know roughly where you are at any point in time but as far as I know, the iPhone is the only one that's recording and storing this information for retrieval.

 

 

I have loaded the software on my Macbook. It tells me my iPhone was in Scotland at one point. I know that this isnt true. Isnt that accurate.

 

Maybe not but it still seems more accurate than inaccurate. It's tracked the trips I've made up to Scotland, the fact that I took the M6 up and the A1/M1 down. It's tracked me in France. It's recorded that I spend most of my time either at home, at work or at my girlfriend's place. None of this is exactly classified information but frankly it's neither Apple's or Vodafone's business and I still want to know what they're up to.

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webman

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If you still don't see a problem with this, consider these points:

 

  • You are suspected in a crime, the police demand and seize your phone. They can legally demand that you had over the key to any encrypted information that you have, under threat of imprisonment, so you can bet your life they can demand this information in the name of evidence.
  • You make a claim on your insurance, but they think you may have been going too fast. They demand this file as proof of your location and time stamp (which can be used to factor velocity and trajectory) and refuse to pay out on the insurance without it.
  • You are undergoing divorce proceedings, accused of extra curricular activities. The opposing lawyer requests to submit this log into evidence of your whereabouts. Lets say you’ve been to an ‘adult’ store, it bears no relevance in this case, but you can be sure it would be used to bring your credibility into question.
  • You lose your rucksack, it has your phone, your wallet and your house keys in it. If you’re unlucky enough not to have any security on your phone then the person who has your house keys and work’s keyswipe card now also has a log that shows two clear clusters of activity around your workplace and home, they know where they keys are for and where they keypass works. Fancy spending a few hours explaining to your boss why they just had 4 laptops stolen and yours is the only keycard used to access the building that night?

 

Read more from the blog post I know what you did last summer (iPhone GPS Tracking).

john

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So for all our iPhone lovers, are we still in-love with our iPhones as much now? or will you all be coming to the lovely Windows phone land?
maniac

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Or just forget smartphones all together and get yourself a basic phone that just does what it needs to do, i.e make phone calls and send text messages.

 

Mike.

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TechMonkey

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If you still don't see a problem with this, consider these points:

 

  • You are suspected in a crime, the police demand and seize your phone. They can legally demand that you had over the key to any encrypted information that you have, under threat of imprisonment, so you can bet your life they can demand this information in the name of evidence.
  • You make a claim on your insurance, but they think you may have been going too fast. They demand this file as proof of your location and time stamp (which can be used to factor velocity and trajectory) and refuse to pay out on the insurance without it.
  • You are undergoing divorce proceedings, accused of extra curricular activities. The opposing lawyer requests to submit this log into evidence of your whereabouts. Lets say you’ve been to an ‘adult’ store, it bears no relevance in this case, but you can be sure it would be used to bring your credibility into question.
  • You lose your rucksack, it has your phone, your wallet and your house keys in it. If you’re unlucky enough not to have any security on your phone then the person who has your house keys and work’s keyswipe card now also has a log that shows two clear clusters of activity around your workplace and home, they know where they keys are for and where they keypass works. Fancy spending a few hours explaining to your boss why they just had 4 laptops stolen and yours is the only keycard used to access the building that night?

 

Read more from the blog post I know what you did last summer (iPhone GPS Tracking).

 

Point 4 I could give you but even then, anyone with a smartphone that does not put some form of security on it is asking for trouble. The others would be in for a tough time to be accepted as evidence. Going back to my previous post, as I haven't looked at the actual file yet, I'm not sure if it is the quick and dirty nature of the application but to use the data it provides you, you get a week long time window and the accuracy can not be assured, so if time and place can not be accurately determined then as evidence it is useless. As a rough guide to activities then it could be used, so heading to make believe land for a second, it could be used as cause that I have been hanging around an area a lot so could have been casing the area for a robbery or terrorist plot, or using your divorce story it could be used to ask why there was a lot of activity in a certain area (not sure how much power divorce proceedings have, think seizing phone logs would be overstepping).

Remember it is using cell towers for location information not GPS. We have seriously bigger problems if this kind of evidence is seriously being used.

 

Plus I am confused about when it logs. I have a week where I have one small position. Yes I was probably there but I find it hard to believe I was only there for the whole week. Same again a different week, a cluster in a few towns along but nothing else. I could well have visited there but not only there and it covers the whole town, I would only have gone in to one place on the edge and out again.

 

It is a warning where things could to lead to & I will be interested in the reasoning for doing it, but I don't think there is a huge panic at the moment. Plus, I still think it has a slight cool edge.

Norphy

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[*]You make a claim on your insurance, but they think you may have been going too fast. They demand this file as proof of your location and time stamp (which can be used to factor velocity and trajectory) and refuse to pay out on the insurance without it.

[*]You are undergoing divorce proceedings, accused of extra curricular activities. The opposing lawyer requests to submit this log into evidence of your whereabouts. Lets say you’ve been to an ‘adult’ store, it bears no relevance in this case, but you can be sure it would be used to bring your credibility into question.

 

As uncomfortable as I am with this whole thing, those two points aren't really valid as the phone doesn't appear to be using the GPS unit to do the tracking. It's using the cell towers instead which are far too inaccurate for these two scenarios.

 

So for all our iPhone lovers, are we still in-love with our iPhones as much now? or will you all be coming to the lovely Windows phone land?

 

or even android land?

 

No to all three questions. Windows Phone is still to much of a "V1" product in my opinion and I trust Google even less than I do Apple at the moment. That and I still have another seven months left on my contract.

 

probrably has something to do with find my iphone using mobile me

 

Presumably you're talking about the Find my iPhone feature? That's been in iOS since v3 which didn't have this tracking nonsense going on and it doesn't really work like that anyway. Find my iPhone appears to push a special email to the iPhone which activates the GPS which then reports the location to Apple. In any case, this app only shows you the data that's been backed up using iTunes, it shows you where you've been, not necessarily where you are now.

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Pashers

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With the right software, it can be used to map exactly where a person has been.

 

Apple has yet to comment on the revelation, however there is no suggestion that it has been uploading or using the information.

BBC news: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13145562

 

 

We may collect information such as occupation, language, zip code, area code, unique device identifier, location, and the time zone where an Apple product is used so that we can better understand customer behavior and improve our products, services, and advertising.

From iTUNES STORE - TERMS AND CONDITIONS

eejit

eejit

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Or just forget smartphones all together and get yourself a basic phone that just does what it needs to do, i.e make phone calls and send text messages.

 

Mike.

 

Not sure I could ever go back to those dark days. If Apple demanded a stool sample from me once a week I'd probably consider it :p

mthomas08

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Or just forget smartphones all together and get yourself a basic phone that just does what it needs to do, i.e make phone calls and send text messages.

 

Mike.

 

But I am sad, I am enjoying FF3 on the Iphone :)

 

@webman - that is a disturbing thought if your stuff are stolen, some one will know where you live as a result of the IPhone data, as for the others I am never fussed about :).

WithoutMotive

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Despite all the reasons for concern, I'm not bothered at all by this. I'll still use my iPhone. I'll still like my iPhone.

If someone gets hold of my phone/laptop and gets this data, it's my fault for being so careless to let them get to the items in the first place.

Other reasons I've seen include a "jealous partner" taking a look because they suspect you've been up to no good. In that case, don't worry about your phone security, I'd take a close look at your relationship. Lol.

 

Nah, not worried or concerned at all.

mac_shinobi

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or even android land?

 

Think I am considering going android land for the phone side and selling my iphone and swapping it for an ipod touch - not sure if the ipod touch does the same as the iphone though, the above being one of the reasons and the other is that its a lot of money just for a phone that can play music / videos and for checking emails.

 

Android based phones ( give or take a bit ) is aprox £30 a month where as for my iphone I had to pay X up front which is more then £100 plus £50 or even £40 a month, where as if I sell my iphone I could buy an ipod touch and get an android phone.

Disease

Disease

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If someone gets hold of my phone/laptop and gets this data, it's my fault for being so careless to let them get to the items in the first place.

 

Nah, not worried or concerned at all.

 

So on that basis you would be quite happy for your home insurance to not pay out if your house was robbed after accidentally losing your house keys as it was your own carelessness for losing them?

WithoutMotive

WithoutMotive

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So on that basis you would be quite happy for your home insurance to not pay out if your house was robbed after accidentally losing your house keys as it was your own carelessness for losing them?

Not at all. Of course I'd want them to pay out but it would still be a rap on the knuckles for me for being an idiot.

Tunster

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I'm not entirely surprised by this at all. I'd be pretty sure to find a similar file on Android/RIM/Windows Phone devices as well as I'd be sure the same or similar T&C's are there across the board. I'd love to know why it's there though. This article is great for anti-apple people though. Anything against them like this a huge bomb to them to reiterate their hate.

 

If you were a criminal, you'd know this information already or wouldn't use an iPhone to start off with. I know I haven't done anything wrong or been anywhere I shouldn't of been, so I'm not that worried.

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