Jawloms Posted March 9, 2021 Posted March 9, 2021 This will upset a lot of teachers! Downloading music from YouTube now BLOCKED by BT, Virgin Media, Sky, EE and more
thimon Posted March 9, 2021 Posted March 9, 2021 Makes sense, seeing as that's surely against YouTube's terms of service. 2
ICTDirect_Dave Posted March 9, 2021 Posted March 9, 2021 It seems to still be quite possible on a virgin media connection. I'd be interested to see how they're going to implement this. I should point out that I don't condone downloading form youtube, its clearly against their terms of service. But, it does seem like it'll be hard to police.
Jawloms Posted March 9, 2021 Author Posted March 9, 2021 I should point out that I don't condone downloading form youtube Neither do I. I've always refused to do it when they ask, much to their annoyance! At least now I can tell them I can't rather than I won't.
free780 Posted March 9, 2021 Posted March 9, 2021 Surely this would require from SSL/TLS interception by your ISP? I think the actually streams come from googlevideo.com over https. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
localzuk Posted March 9, 2021 Posted March 9, 2021 (edited) So starts another game of whack-a-mole. Block half a dozen sites? 20 more will appear. The order is just one blocking a number of sites. Nothing special technologically. Edited March 9, 2021 by localzuk
jthompson Posted March 9, 2021 Posted March 9, 2021 "More visitors than for websites of Coca-Cola or McDonald's". It must be a massive problem then, because I just can't keep myself off the Coca-Cola or McDonald's websites. \s 2
MatthewL Posted March 9, 2021 Posted March 9, 2021 It's against the terms to download simple as. Just because they can do it at home doesn't mean its right. 1
DGardiner Posted March 9, 2021 Posted March 9, 2021 It seems to still be quite possible on a virgin media connection. I'd be interested to see how they're going to implement this. I should point out that I don't condone downloading form youtube, its clearly against their terms of service. But, it does seem like it'll be hard to police. they null route the ip's usually.. dns filtering is well... inefective
going_offsite Posted March 9, 2021 Posted March 9, 2021 (edited) Surely it should be up to Youtube to prevent the downloads in the first place! After all Netflix and co doesn't have such sites which allow you to download content (as far as I know). I am sure there are more complex ways it can be done, but to the mass it isn't possible. Music companies sign up to these Youtube etc sites, they should demand there are suitable safeguard in place to prevent downloads. Of course it is impossible to stop it completely, but Youtube already prevent certain videos being downloaded so they can do something. I get very uneasy when ISPs start to temper with my connection on the demands of large music companies. Edited March 9, 2021 by going_offsite
localzuk Posted March 9, 2021 Posted March 9, 2021 Surely it should be up to Youtube to prevent the downloads in the first place! After all Netflix and co doesn't have such sites which allow you to download content (as far as I know). I am sure there are more complex ways it can be done, but to the mass it isn't possible. Music companies sign up to these Youtube etc sites, they should demand there are suitable safeguard in place to prevent downloads. Of course it is impossible to stop it completely, but Youtube already prevent certain videos being downloaded so they can do something. The big difference between Youtube and someone like Netflix is that Youtube explicitly want people to be able to embed videos in their sites. Also, Youtube don't use any DRM on their videos, whereas Netflix does. It would take a new way of doing things from Youtube and it would have to scale well.
going_offsite Posted March 9, 2021 Posted March 9, 2021 The big difference between Youtube and someone like Netflix is that Youtube explicitly want people to be able to embed videos in their sites. Also, Youtube don't use any DRM on their videos, whereas Netflix does. It would take a new way of doing things from Youtube and it would have to scale well. I am not sure which technology they use, but it is not possible to download paid for videos. Youtube and the like are due a reckoning. It is still very much a wild west. For the users it will be a case of having to sign into Youtube to watch anything I suspect, you may still be able to search prior to login. That's the only way they are going to be able to meet the increasing number of regulations being introduced as the years go on. I know they are already asking users to confirm their age when watching certain videos within certain EU countries. Other sites such as Twitter and Reddit etc will all have to introduce age verification and that would require logins before you can access anything. Otherwise they cannot stop people seeing and accessing etc, or be able to meet the regulations. The internet as we know it in terms of the giants will look very different in five/ten years.
paulkerton Posted March 9, 2021 Posted March 9, 2021 I know they are already asking users to confirm their age when watching certain videos within certain EU countries. In the EU and the UK as it passed as law before Brexit occurred. 2
jthompson Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 I think Netflix et al use Widevine DRM, which is a Google creation anyway, isn't it? I can't see why YouTube couldn't or doesn't use it from a technical standpoint. The legalities/licensing might be more convoluted in that area when dealing with user-generated content, as opposed to more straightforward arrangements on platforms like Netflix.
ITGuyNW Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 Just like they do with torrent sites but then the next day the same website appears with another 3 letter ending and the ISPs have to go to court again and again and again and again
FN-GM Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 It’s not going to prevent the software based downloaders. I can’t see how they can easily stop them from working.
mikeprice Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 If it is the actual music (other words are available for some of it) then if you can play it you can intercept it with e.g. Audacity and record it yourself (I don't think I am telling any secrets there???) I don't think they can prevent that sort of thing no matter what they do????
Davit2005 Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 (edited) It’s not going to prevent the software based downloaders. I can’t see how they can easily stop them from working. I can just see some of those littered with so much malware and spyware it would be crazy to use them. Edited March 10, 2021 by Davit2005
FN-GM Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 I can just see some of those littered with so much malware and spyware it would be crazy to use them. Like any software - you choose carefully.
jthompson Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 (edited) This is clearly just an easy, visible move to improve relationships with rights-holders by spooking the average Joe who might not have realised that YouTube knows about piracy. The slightly more determined pirates will know to try workarounds like a VPN and/or a browser extension. Edited March 10, 2021 by jthompson
kennysarmy Posted March 23, 2023 Posted March 23, 2023 Just been asked to download a video from Twitter so a teacher can embed it in a PowerPoint for an assembly!
mikeprice Posted March 29, 2023 Posted March 29, 2023 Just been asked to download a video from Twitter so a teacher can embed it in a PowerPoint for an assembly! "BUT IT IS FOR THE CHILDREN!!!!" 1
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