New EduGeek logo (draft)

[Dos_Box]

Seems like a good time to bring this up while the discussion is out there - I do not think the tag line is correct, are you not education IT professionals rather than educational IT?

 

We ourselves are not educational, and whether the kit we support is educational is questionable.

 

Not that bothered by it - as you can tell from the fact I have never mentioned it before, but just thought I would open the debate as everything else seems to be being debated.

 

(sorry DB - probably not the discussion you had planned when you posted this last night!)

 

From dictionary.com. See point 1.

 

ed·u·ca·tion·al /ˌɛdʒʊˈkeɪʃənl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ej-oo-key-shuh-nl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

–adjective

 

1. pertaining to education.

2. tending or intended to educate, instruct, or inform: an educational show on television.

[limbo]

2.tending or intended to educate, instruct, or inform: an educational show on television

 

I understand what you are saying, but not convinced it is the appropriate application in this case - to me educational suggets the entity being described is doing the educating.

 

Point 2 of the description makes this clearer - intended to educate. We do not educate, we provide the facility used by the educators and educatees in most cases.

 

"That was educational" is how you would normally use the word or "Educational resources" because the resources themsevles are providing education, a book is educational not a librarian.

 

But going to shut up about it now because, as I already said, does not bother me that much - just wanted to raise the question.

[Guest richard]

I love the new look logo. But then I am an evil, twisted SOB!!!!!!!!!!!!

[russdev]

Alright limbo discuss away...

 

I disagree that we do not educate as students learning is not just about what they learn from teacher is the whole learning process. But then I am from camp that we should act more like educational technologist than 'techies'

 

I am of the mind educational is not teaching in my mind names are defined as this...

 

Teaching - Standing in front of class aka lecturing to student

 

Learning - Student actively gaining knowledge be that from a book, from the teacher or from using the internet etc..

 

This two terms are obviously linked.

 

Then in my mind the term Educational is the process and environment that student learns in. I.e a pub could be classed as educational as if student see's another student drink too much and vows not to get that bad then student has been educated about dangers of drinking in excess.

 

But then I am aware I am person who is disliked by some teachers etc for being to 'educational minded' and sticking my nose in where they think i shouldn't. But then on equal measures disliked by some 'techies' for exact same reason being 'educational minded'

 

I still strongly believe that all staff have part to play in educating the students and so by either definition it works but that is my view..

 

Russell

[AlexB]

I quite like the EduGeek, horns and all. I can see why people might not think its professional, but the way I see it is that its what I (note I missed we there ) do.

 

I work in IT for education and most ppl hate me and think I'm the devil, staff included. For me this shows more about being professional, the ones that don't see me as the devil realise I work for the whole school, not for departments or single ppl.

 

I feel its far more important to support a whole school and annoy individuals than make everyone happy (yer right!) at the expensive of the whole school and long term.

 

I am a professional devil who walks round with his black bofh mug!

[srochford]

Have to say I never really liked the horns on the original logo and although I like the new logo, I still don't like the horns. I don't see what the whole 'devil' thing has got to do with education/ict. I agree that a professional look is sensible. I also don't like the reversed 'e'. I cringe every time I see things like that. Maybe it reminds me of ABBA!

 

Agreed. I've never liked the name or the logo (no ideas what we could use instead; just know I don't like it!)

[Dos_Box]

Have to say I never really liked the horns on the original logo and although I like the new logo, I still don't like the horns. I don't see what the whole 'devil' thing has got to do with education/ict. I agree that a professional look is sensible. I also don't like the reversed 'e'. I cringe every time I see things like that. Maybe it reminds me of ABBA!

 

Agreed. I've never liked the name or the logo (no ideas what we could use instead; just know I don't like it!)

 

It took me days of deliberation actually. There was simply nothing suitable I could come up with. I needed something all encompassing and not to dividing. When ICTTECHNICIAN.COM started up after us I always thought the title excluded everyone else involved in the technical side of IT in education. I also wanted to steer clear of a site name which would be too geeky such as http://www.matrixtechnogoth.net or some such.

[MkII]

Like it a lot. Bold, big, in ya face.. Of course the design of the new site will be equally brash :twisted:

 

Doesn't look quite finished (as you said). Black is too domineering over the red. Face is a little weak. Eyes look more like mine after a full day and nights' 'sesh' than sum evil monster. Horns are sorta floppy carrots.

 

As for the tag - line.. what a mouthful!

[K.C.Leblanc]

When I saw this thread I though "Why the heck are they changing the logo, it's fine".

 

However the new one is much more eye catching. Are we having a new colour sceme for the web site?

[sqdge]

I've clearly joined this debate too late.

 

I like the name EduGeek, and I like the logo. The new logo looks cool - more professional than the current logo (that RJ45 has always bothered me). As long as the rest of the site suits the logo, then it will fit in very well.

 

I've always been slightly confused by the horns, but accepted that it was the logo of EG. A lot of company logos don't make much sense (in what way does a registery represent a vulture? or how does HSBC behave like an oriental kite?).

 

As for the slogan, I can't think of a better one ("For those whose budgets don't quite cover training").

[ajbritton]

Just to say that I have no problem with the name EduGeek (although with current thinking maybe is should be ChildServGeek).

 

Maybe we should ask the guys at B3TA to come up with some logo ideas for us...

[mattx]

Good lord, all this over a logo ?

Hmmmmmmmm.

[limbo]

As for the slogan, I can't think of a better one ("For those whose budgets don't quite cover training").

 

Not discussing the point of the slogan - just the grammar of it, not sure it is gramatically correct.

 

And DB I am not arguing the point of whether we educate or not - again it is the grammar of the phrase that seems wrong to me.

 

But I can see you are more than happy with the phrase, all I wanted to do was draw attention to the question of whether it was right or not. I am not actually passionate enough about this site to be motivated enough to waste any more time discussing it so I shall leave it there.

 

As for the logo itself - I think it is nice and strong for t-shirts and the like, and I think it would actually makre a great new logo for the site itself - I do not see why we need to have such a professional outlook, after all a big chunk of what is discussed here is not particularly professionally related anyway - and nor should it be.

[sqdge]

just the grammar of it, not sure it is gramatically correct.

 

I've never noticed that before. Limbo's right. It isn't grammatically correct. It should be "professional's" not "professionals'".

 

And to be particularly picky, "life line" should be "life-line".

 

But then, we're eduGeeks not English teachers.

[limbo]

It should be "professional's" not "professionals'".

 

No I think that bit is right - professional, plural = professionals, ownership or a plural = professionals'

 

Professional's would be short for "professional is"

 

I am not sure about life-line. The rule is generally that a new paring of words has the hyphen until it is pretty much globally accepted and used - so electronic mail began as e-mail when it was a new word, and it is now acceptable to be email (no hyphen) because it is in common use (I know this sounds bizarre - but I remember seeing a guy from the OED talking about it once and it seemed so strange to me that it just stuck in my head!).

 

So I think life line, life-line and lifeline are probably all acceptable with no one version being particuarly more correct than another.

 

Now - where did I leave that life?

[Andie]

Good lord, all this over a logo ?

Hmmmmmmmm.

 

Must be school holidays...!!

 

I agree with those who are puzzled over the horns. I have to admit I feel a bit uncomfortable having the site up on a computer at the church school I work at! The logo does have the look of a comic book title, but I like it more than the current one. Perhaps if we all had Edugeek t-shirts, leggings, and capes we could be IT superheroes....!

[MkII]

Not discussing the point of the slogan

 

I was

[beeswax]

Good lord, all this over a logo ?

Hmmmmmmmm.

 

Do you remember the fuss when the Americans changed the name of Marathon bars to Snickers?

Here's a simple quiz, no prizes involved. Can you tell me the product just by looking at a snatch (yes, that is a technical term) of the logo?

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Cisco

Dolce & Gabbana

Mars

[mattx]

Do you remember the fuss when the Americans changed the name of Marathon bars to Snickers?

Here's a simple quiz, no prizes involved. Can you tell me the product just by looking at a snatch (yes, that is a technical term) of the logo?

 

In the words of the great late Bill Hicks:

 

"By the way, if anyone here is in marketing or advertising...kill yourself. Thank you. Just planting seeds, planting seeds is all I'm doing. No joke here, really. Seriously, kill yourself, you have no rationalisation for what you do, you are Satan's little helpers. Kill yourself, kill yourself, kill yourself now."

 

[beeswax]

OK, here are 2 more logos/symbols (I'm not choosing these to offend anyone, but to try and illustrate the point that logos have been with us long before marketing men as we know them today).

A good symbol/logo is a distillation of ideas into a shorthand or totem for a like-minded group. I'm not having a go at you mattx, but logos do have a role in society.

[russdev]

It should be "professional's" not "professionals'".

 

No I think that bit is right - professional, plural = professionals, ownership or a plural = professionals'

 

Professional's would be short for "professional is"

 

I am not sure about life-line. The rule is generally that a new paring of words has the hyphen until it is pretty much globally accepted and used - so electronic mail began as e-mail when it was a new word, and it is now acceptable to be email (no hyphen) because it is in common use (I know this sounds bizarre - but I remember seeing a guy from the OED talking about it once and it seemed so strange to me that it just stuck in my head!).

 

So I think life line, life-line and lifeline are probably all acceptable with no one version being particuarly more correct than another.

 

Now - where did I leave that life?

 

 

arrrrrrrhhhhhhh

 

 

The grammar is correct in terms of the ' as many moons ago it was 's and we were very much told off for it so yes it should be s'...

 

Russ

[russdev]

...As for the logo itself - I think it is nice and strong for t-shirts and the like, and I think it would actually makre a great new logo for the site itself - I do not see why we need to have such a professional outlook, after all a big chunk of what is discussed here is not particularly professionally related anyway - and nor should it be.

 

But we do have professional element which work with nationally with different people and orgs which means to certain degree with have to present a professional image. (must admit we havn't done as much as would have liked to in past 6 months)

 

Forums on here are bit of an odd makeup we have the every professional side aka the tech and education side. Then we have sections like this which bit of free for all both sides complement each other..

 

But we do have to be aware of the fact that we have professional element to site that makes be seen as some kind of authority on it in education.

 

This an issue we as admins are always fighting with trying to get right balance as one hand we have camp who wants us to be a professional organisation and then on the other hand we have camp who want us to be a forum.

 

Regards

 

 

Russell

[FN-GM]

@beeswax

the first is something to do with the roman empire

the second one is a Christianity symbol isn’t it?

[russdev]

arr but do you know why it is symbol for Christianity well let me tell you it is back from days when Christianity was outlawed. So it was a code so that fellow Christians would know each other.

 

One person would draw one half and other person would complete the symbol.

 

Russ