Windows 10 end of life

[jmak]

Windows 11 incoming.... https://www.theverge.com/2021/6/3/22466394/microsoft-windows-11-launch-teaser-rumors

[ITGuyNW]

Ugghhhh. I just hope it's not a massive re-write and it can be deployed easily. *laughs maniacally*

[LeMarchand]

As Cilla would have said:

 

[DavR]

I wonder if it will actually add anything useful, rather than being "same as Windows 7 except the Start Menu doesn't work".

[Davit2005]

Hopefully no more MS bloatware (Candy Crush, games etc. especially on Edu and Enterprise versions), I'm not holding my breath. No links to online MS Office 365 in the start menu etc. Edited June 7, 2021 by Davit2005

[hardtailstar]

Hopefully there is a 'have it free' period again!

[Michael]

It'll be a classic 99 ice cream with two flakes, not just the one for '11'.

 

 

All this just makes me think of Mac OS to be honest. I won't be tuning in on the 24th...!

[paulkerton]

I think this is basically a repaint of Windows 10. I would be very surprised if Windows 10 users won't just be able to upgrade in-situ. I think it's more of a branding exercise to encourage those who aren't quite so tech savvy as this audience to buy new hardware.

[Warwick_Tech]

I think this is basically a repaint of Windows 10. I would be very surprised if Windows 10 users won't just be able to upgrade in-situ. I think it's more of a branding exercise to encourage those who aren't quite so tech savvy as this audience to buy new hardware.

 

Given MS poor past experiences of 'trying something new and exciting' I would be inclined to agree - It's highly unlikley this version of Windows will have anything significant changed under the hood, all modern versions of Windows are simply MS-DOS with sparkly bits.

 

I still get funny looks when I go to 'old' windows boxes instead of the shiny UI - It will be a long time before we are rid of DOS!

 

C:\DOS

C:\DOS RUN

RUN DOS RUN

[Dos_Box]

Given MS poor past experiences of 'trying something new and exciting' I would be inclined to agree - It's highly unlikley this version of Windows will have anything significant changed under the hood, all modern versions of Windows are simply MS-DOS with sparkly bits.

 

I still get funny looks when I go to 'old' windows boxes instead of the shiny UI - It will be a long time before we are rid of DOS!

 

C:\DOS

C:\DOS RUN

RUN DOS RUN

 

I would hope so too! I have many useful years left in me yet.

[Dos_Box]

I suspect the new version will be the best way to incorporate newer or upcoming technologies that weren't around 6 years ago. We all know how cludgy Windows can get once they start bolting on features or support for new 'stuff'.

Far better to start on a clean state, although I think much of it would be directly ported over from Windows 10.

[psydii]

This is a bad idea and brings no value. The only possible good name might be "Windows 365" But based on recent trends it will probably be "Microsoft 365 Operating System: Windows 11"

[paulkerton]

Thing is, more and more the actual OS you're using is becoming less and less relevant. Once people realise that for 90% of most people (and clearly not the people here) all they need is a browser these days.

If Windows 11 is a chargable upgrade, I know I'm likely not to go to it.

[LeMarchand]

If Windows 11 is a chargable upgrade, I know I'm likely not to go to it.

 

I'm betting class action lawyers in the US are already sharpening their pencils just in case MS try to charge for it, as wasn't W10 "the last version you'll need"?

[Boredguy]

Ah but we said it's the last version you'll need, not the last version you will want

[psydii]

I suspect the new version will be the best way to incorporate newer or upcoming technologies that weren't around 6 years ago. We all know how cludgy Windows can get once they start bolting on features or support for new 'stuff'.

Far better to start on a clean state, although I think much of it would be directly ported over from Windows 10.

 

They couldn't get people to adopt Metro apps. There is no way there is going to be a successful new operating system. The last two big changes did not go well (Vista and 8). Pretty sure what ever comes next will still be vista/NT under the hood and Win32 derived apps on top. They have been making some really deep level changes over the last few years on a similar scale to how apple has been refreshing OSX, but with out the CPU and multi-platform story.

 

I recon we'll see a refreshed UI, maybe some re-working at lower levels for better ARM **COUGH**M1**COUGH** support, and hopefully some great work on the re-unification of UWP and Win32 and DOTNET, but otherwise it'll be business as usual, but with a newer worse name.

[paulkerton]

maybe some re-working at lower levels for better ARM **COUGH**M1**COUGH** support

 

I don't believe that they're really all that bothered about competing with, or being able to run on the Macbook and the M1 processor. I think they're looking at being to run Windows properly on ARM devices to combat Chromebooks and for server use moving forward.

 

Its your Mediatek, Rockchip, Qualcomm and Exynos chips that they're thinking of here ultimately. M1 is exciting, and it's great to see ARM architectures are battling at the top end, but I don't think that is Microsoft's play.

[simpsonj]

I hope they incorporate the Windows 10X work in there somewhere, like having a choice to login into full fat Windows or Windows 'lite' mode at login or something similar.

 

Would it also be reasonable to ask that all features of Windows 11 can be managed by GPO from the off?

[paulkerton]

I hope they incorporate the Windows 10X work in there somewhere, like having a choice to login into full fat Windows or Windows 'lite' mode at login or something similar.

Gotta admit, I think it'll just be if you're on a lower powered machine you get 10X mode. Atom/ARM etc.

Would it also be reasonable to ask that all features of Windows 11 can be managed by GPO from the off?

[jthompson]

I'm wondering if a new name would just be a way to reset the bar in terms of hw requirements compared to Win10. In years past, running new Windows releases on older hardware was chiefly just a question of perfomance, but now I imagine there are many more security features that are reliant on having certain hardware. The same OS on older hardware is no longer just slower, it's also likely to be inherently less secure now, too.

[Warwick_Tech]

Would it also be reasonable to ask that all features of Windows 11 can be managed by GPO from the off?

 

I have very little optimism anyone who works at MS R&D knows what Group Policy is these days, I blame millienials....

[Jamman960]

I wonder if they'll kill off legacy compatibility, there has been a huge shift in the last few years from getting things to work no matter what towards being a security risk once out of support or development.

[jthompson]

I wonder if they'll kill off legacy compatibility, there has been a huge shift in the last few years from getting things to work no matter what towards being a security risk once out of support or development.

 

I suspect that Win32 is inseparable from the Windows brand at this stage. MS would need to call the OS something other than Windows to get away with not including it.

[ITGuyNW]

I have very little optimism anyone who works at MS R&D knows what Group Policy is these days, I blame millienials....

 

Windows 11 Enterprise - Azure only

 

haha

[LeMarchand]

Hopefully no more MS bloatware (Candy Crush, games etc. especially on Edu and Enterprise versions), I'm not holding my breath. No links to online MS Office 365 in the start menu etc.

 

I keep hearing this complaint,but I've never seen Candy Crush in an EDU build. Just done one from a generic "all versions" USB key with the version set by entering the appropriate MAK and the only game is Solitaire and the online links to Office get replaced when "real" Office is installed.

 

Edit: It does still have some extraneous X Box stuff, but nothing too bad

Edited June 7, 2021 by LeMarchand