Door Access Control Systems

[localzuk]

Can you use Oyster cards for access control? Most people at the school here would already have an Oyster card, and they're easy enough to get hold of if anyone needs one. Would a generic near-field / RF ID card reader be able to read a unique ID from an Oyster card that could be used to identify an individual?

 

I don't see why not. The original Oyster cards were simply Mifare cards, and the new ones are Mifare DESFire. So, you should be able to do something with compatible readers.

[bossman]

We went for stand alone options years ago and to tell you the truth it has worked so well for the cost but it would depend on your access points and how you wanted to manage them.

 

Here is what we have used for the past 6 years: Products | Micro Touch Key (MTK) | Borer Data Systems

 

Probably out of date now but works exceptionally well and very inexpensive.

 

We only have 2 entrances, one is the staff entrance and the other is the reception entrance, only the staff have keyfobs and the reception has a manual override button which only the receptionist has access to for letting in guests and visitors.

 

The students use a different access point which is closed after a certain time in the morning and only opened when students leave for home lunch or at the end of the day. This has worked extremely well and as we use registration at every lesson there is no need for students to register as they come into school.

[localzuk]

We went for stand alone options years ago and to tell you the truth it has worked so well for the cost but it would depend on your access points and how you wanted to manage them.

 

Here is what we have used for the past 6 years: Products | Micro Touch Key (MTK) | Borer Data Systems

 

Probably out of date now but works exceptionally well and very inexpensive.

 

We only have 2 entrances, one is the staff entrance and the other is the reception entrance, only the staff have keyfobs and the reception has a manual override button which only the receptionist has access to for letting in guests and visitors.

 

The students use a different access point which is closed after a certain time in the morning and only opened when students leave for home lunch or at the end of the day. This has worked extremely well and as we use registration at every lesson there is no need for students to register as they come into school.

 

That sort of solution will work great for small scale installations like you have, however if you're like us, and have the electronic system on internal doors too, then a full fledged system is the only way to go.

 

We have Paxton Net2 locks on about 25 doors now I think. We're slowly implementing it to replace keys internally.

[john]

That sort of solution will work great for small scale installations like you have, however if you're like us, and have the electronic system on internal doors too, then a full fledged system is the only way to go.

 

We have Paxton Net2 locks on about 25 doors now I think. We're slowly implementing it to replace keys internally.

What's the sort of cost per door roughly? I've raised this at our place that as part of our refurb program we are about to start we should fit this style of system onto all new / replaced doors but I get shouted down that its far too expensive.

 

I asked for it on IT Room Doors as a priority instead got all matched keys on them of which about half a dozen have gone missing and people still forget to lock the darned doors....

 

I may just stick it on the Server Room and my Office Door anyway and be high-tech and you never know one day it may then spread as how hard can it be to fit yourself....

[m25man]

which is why we use badge holders.

 

Which is what we now have... but even then they couldn't get it right, having printed all of the ID cards in portrait mode the person responsible for it all got Landscape badge holders !

Plonker..

[plexer]

Hehe lol.

 

We use Salto and that costs approx £260 per door.

 

Ben

[localzuk]

What's the sort of cost per door roughly? I've raised this at our place that as part of our refurb program we are about to start we should fit this style of system onto all new / replaced doors but I get shouted down that its far too expensive.

 

I asked for it on IT Room Doors as a priority instead got all matched keys on them of which about half a dozen have gone missing and people still forget to lock the darned doors....

 

I may just stick it on the Server Room and my Office Door anyway and be high-tech and you never know one day it may then spread as how hard can it be to fit yourself....

 

With our local security companies, they come in about £700-800 per door, including all installation costs. But there's no reason you couldn't get trained in how to install the system yourself and then you'd just need the kit which you can get direct from Paxton.

[john]

With our local security companies, they come in about £700-800 per door, including all installation costs. But there's no reason you couldn't get trained in how to install the system yourself and then you'd just need the kit which you can get direct from Paxton.

 

I can buy an entire door and frame and have it fitted for that!

[localzuk]

I can buy an entire door and frame and have it fitted for that!

 

Consider the cost of having to replace an entire master key set of locks when someone loses a key.

 

Also, if you wanna do it yourself, you can probably get the kit for about £500.

Edited April 3, 2011 by localzuk

[john]

Consider the cost of having to replace an entire master key set of locks when someone loses a key.

 

Also, if you wanna do it yourself, you can probably get the kit for about £500.

 

True to a point, a well designed key based system, Euro Cylinders can be had for about £12 a cylinder, and the most locks to change, again if designed right, should be no more than 25 - 35 thus your not making major savings using that over the keyed methods, but yes there is a time saver loose the token and then just delete it rather than collect and re-issue keys etc....

[plexer]

The master keys for one of our master suites are about £40 each.

 

Ben

[localzuk]

The master keys for one of our master suites are about £40 each.

 

Ben

 

Is that per cylinder? If so, scale that to, say 30 locks. And then add in the, say 50 keys needed too. Now consider that staff lose their keys quite often. It is an expensive exercise. Most schools would also pay their security company to do the swap for them too.

 

Not to mention the time where the rooms are vulnerable between loss and replacement.

 

Or, you can go to a computer and click 'lost token' and voila, secure...

[john]

The master keys for one of our master suites are about £40 each.

 

Ben

 

Rucko by any chance?

[plexer]

Schlage

 

Ben

[powdarrmonkey]

The problem we tend to have with tokens over real keys is triviality. That is to say tokens are so trivial and un-key like that users don't report them lost, preferring to make sure they arrive at a door with someone else than going through the hassle of getting another token issued. I'm open to ideas for making users treat tokens with the gravity they would real keys.

[liamvaughan]

We also use Paxton Net2 great system and the cards and fobs are not that expensive either and in one of our buildings we have had them put on both end of the corridors on the bridge the old sixth form entrance and all suites and reception doors and it works great never any problems with it.

[jimmy_2k]

Yea cards are soo much less hastle than keys, we have both here oddly as the card system wasn't considered realiable enough so some doors are card, some key, some both! Arrghh.

 

Anyway does anyone know a FM system which will do both cashless catering and door control on one system? would love to ditch one server and have as many things intergrated as possible.

[kearton]

+1 for Salto locks here. They work great!

[BaccyNet]

Another for SALTO. Had it in for about four months now and SLT are looking to add more this financial year.

They now do a wireless cylinder so we no longer have to pay fitting, plus you can literally roll the system out overnight!

[plexer]

They do rim and euro cylinder and there is also a padlock on the cards. Don't think they are wireless are they? Using salto svn I think.

 

Ben

[wensleydale]

What's the sort of cost per door roughly? I've raised this at our place that as part of our refurb program we are about to start we should fit this style of system onto all new / replaced doors but I get shouted down that its far too expensive.

 

I asked for it on IT Room Doors as a priority instead got all matched keys on them of which about half a dozen have gone missing and people still forget to lock the darned doors....

 

I may just stick it on the Server Room and my Office Door anyway and be high-tech and you never know one day it may then spread as how hard can it be to fit yourself....

 

We have just started putting SALTO locks in; easy to install (just replace the door handles), powered by 3 AAA batteries (good for 20.000 openings)

The SA version is around £240 per door (need a programming device PPD)

The WiFi version is about £330 per door and you need a gateway (SALTO access point) for £145, but than you have live access to the door.

They are using mifare cards or fobs (whatever you like).

I wish I had seen the SALTO system a year ago, before we fitted a paxtan net2 front door access system in (£2700), which of course is only compatible with paxtan cards.

Over all costs for 3 SA locks and 3 WiFi locks including SW (SQL DB), card reader for registering the card), gateway,PPD and 100 mifare cards

=£2525 (thats £420 per door)

[Nope]

Nice thread man you seem smart ;D

[painejake]

ANother for Paxton here too

[Meldrew]

On a similar thread, so i thought I'd tack on the end of this thread rather than create a new one, does anyone have access control on their toilet doors? We've been asked to investigate putting thumbprint scanners on toilet doors, so we know who's entering them so vandalism can be traced/prevented (with some alternative system for thumbprint optouts). We already use thumbprint recognition for cashless catering, printing and the library.

 

I've pointed out to our management that a camera system (in the corridors outside the toilets) would be more practicable, but they are still keen. If anyone's got a similar system, or got any useful info, I'd be very interested.

 

TIA,

 

Richard Wilson

[wensleydale]

On a similar thread, so i thought I'd tack on the end of this thread rather than create a new one, does anyone have access control on their toilet doors? We've been asked to investigate putting thumbprint scanners on toilet doors, so we know who's entering them so vandalism can be traced/prevented (with some alternative system for thumbprint optouts). We already use thumbprint recognition for cashless catering, printing and the library.

 

I've pointed out to our management that a camera system (in the corridors outside the toilets) would be more practicable, but they are still keen. If anyone's got a similar system, or got any useful info, I'd be very interested.

 

TIA,

 

Richard Wilson

 

You are joking, arn't you?