Licensing changes for schools - there's good news coming at BETT

[teejay]

Just to clarify, with SQL you can either licence by end user CALS or by per physical processor on the SQL server which doesn't require end user CALS.

[plexer]

Is there anything covering multipoint server?

 

Ben

[teejay]

Is there anything covering multipoint server?

 

Ben

 

Yes, there's a Mulipoint CAL.

[SteveJ]

How does the SQL cals work, is that part of enterprise or do you have to buy a cal for each device/ user who access the SQL server?

 

You can buy them to cover all you machines or you can cover a small number number of them if you don't need it site wide (The cost per unit is about 3x higher to do this)

[speckytecky]

Just had a read through all this and it's left me confused

 

I cover an EDB School with a lone vanilla domain running OS MS Server 2008 Standard Edition and something in the region of 100 client machines. Plus a Primary School with a vanilla domain running OS MS Server 2003 R2 and in the region of 70 client machines.

 

Both sites include a dedicated Server 2003 set up and running as a workgroup covering SIMS.

 

All CAL's are up to date and client licences are mainly the ones that came with the machines when they were purchased.

 

Licences for MS Office Software etc are purchased as needed to cover the machines through a third party provider under a select agreement from the LEA; the LEA also provides AV for free.

 

Will the changes talked about in this thread make any difference to the way we currently cover this?

 

Also, I'm thinking that rather than spending many, many hours building a client back to function if it fails that imaging is likely to be the way to go moving forward. Presumably to do imaging we would need different licences from the OEM ones currently existing with the client machines?

[localzuk]

The existing licensing options will remain in place - EES is a new scheme for schools.

 

If you buy licenses outright, you can continue to do so.

 

On the imaging point - if you're using OEM licenses on machines, and not volume licenses (eg Select, Schools Agreement or EES) then you're not allowed to image the machines, as it isn't covered by the OEM license (from what i've been told anyway).

[speckytecky]

Thanks Localzuk.

 

Not wishing to hijack the thread but hopefully something that will be accepted as related - I have been trawling the licensing paperwork of one of my schools recently and find that some licences have been purchased through the Select Agreement (which I understand it under the umbrella of the LEA) but others on an Open Agreement - the latter have a start and end date listed. How does that all work and would there be a central record for MS licences that I could query to establish how many we need to buy?

[localzuk]

Open licenses are perpetual, just like Select. Why they are Open I don't know, as Select is the one to use for education perpetual purchases.

 

If you've got Select and Open licenses, then you have the right to use imaging and the right to transfer licenses to different machines.

 

The start and end date listed may be for the software assurance aspect that may have been purchased at the time (this is not a perpetual item, but is something you pay to subscribe to.)

 

I'd imagine the MS have some form of central database, so speaking to their education licensing team may help.

[howartp]

For those looking at EES in a VM environment, i've just been reading this document:

 

Download details: Microsoft Volume Licensing Brief: Licensing Microsoft Server Products in Virtual Environments

 

It's a well written guide to the various licenses and how they apply in a VM environment (per CPU or per server with CALS).

 

Peter

[ranj]

Question I have is with the schools agreement we had previously we had access to a Technet Agreement via Software Assurance. Does this benefit still stand? I make good use of the Technet agreement via forums, 2 free support calls and the e-learning features, would be great to continue to use these.....

[plexer]

I don't think it's included.

 

You do know that your 2 support calls can't be used for production issues.

 

Ben

[eddyc]

Does anyone know if there is a minimum number of machines/staff for this new licensing structure?

 

One of the primaries I support is looking to go Server 2008 R2 \ Windows 7 soon but only has 6 FTE's and 12 computers.

 

Thanks

[teejay]

Technet still comes with ess, you also get the support calls and I've never had issues using the support calls for live systems.

[plexer]

The support calls you receive with technet are not supposed to be for live production problems it says so in the T&C's.

 

Ben

[teejay]

The support calls you receive with technet are not supposed to be for live production problems it says so in the T&C's.

 

Ben

 

Just checked, the Pro Support calls can be used for live systems as long as you can replicate the error in a non production environment, it's just the technet software downloads which are limited to non live systems.

 

edit: added some clarification.

Edited March 28, 2011 by teejay

[krisd32]

Quick question

2UJ-00011 is that the core cal desktop product or the enterprise? Can't seem to find anything out about product numbers.

and also does it cover you for use of legacy products such office 2007 or 2003? thanks in advance

Edited March 31, 2011 by krisd32

[Robbocop]

Quick question

2UJ-00011 is that the core cal desktop product or the enterprise? Can't seem to find anything out about product numbers.

Kris, it is confusing it's true, because the product code does have "Ent" in it. That refers to the Office component, which Microsoft see as an enterprise product. 2UJ-00011 combines Office, the Windows 7 upgrade and the CORE CAL package. If you want the Enterprise CAL package the code you need is 2UJ-00007 DsktpEdu ALNG LicSAPk OLV E 1Y Ent EntCAL - with the EntCAL bit at the end as the only clue It costs about 6 Quid more than the one with Core CAL.

[jayemm]

Technet is included in two ways both as part of the Software Assurance benefits.

 

a) 2 accounts for chat and forums on technet

b) 1 complimentary Technet Professional account.

[Dave84]

Does anyone know if there is a minimum number of machines/staff for this new licensing structure?

 

Minimum is 5 FTEs.

 

Quick question

2UJ-00011 is that the core cal desktop product or the enterprise? Can't seem to find anything out about product numbers.

and also does it cover you for use of legacy products such office 2007 or 2003? thanks in advance

 

Yes it covers previous versions of Office. Not sure how far back you can go but it definately covers 2003.

 

Regarding Technet, do you still have to purchase 5 Server licenses to get it?

 

Also worth noting that I found out today that Forefront Endpoint Protection is planned for Core CALs from August 2011, so assuming it goes ahead it will be great news for Schools.

[kaphc]

Hi, we are a school moving to a new site in July so now is as good a time as any to start looking at our licenses.

 

We have calculated 21 FTE staff (200+ and needing to use a computer) and at the new site will have 101 machines (90 netbooks & 11 desktops) requiring licenses for CALs, Windows 7 Professional and Microsoft Office 2010 Professional. Plus 1 server which will need licensing for Windows Server 2008 R2.

 

Having looked at the prices for EES vs Schools Licensing, it seems that EES is the way to go. Just for my own peace of mind, I'm wondering we've got this right or is it too good to be true. Has anyone found any restrictions that have made them decide not to go for EES? Also, does a price of £35 per unit per year for the 21 FTEs seem reasonable? (And to be straight, I'm not asking for quotes as we're placing a bulk order for other things as well - just checking we're not being ripped off).

[kaphc]

Sorry for the double post, just started going through some more pages on this thread and found the answer to my question on price already! Nil points for me for trying to save some time and skim-read the thread to get to the end!