Allowing ChatGPT to students?

[FragglePete]

Morning all,

 

Do you allow students to access ChatGPT ?

 

The reason I ask, is that it was blocked by default by SWGfL / RM - but I've opened it up for Staff. But still keep the block in place for students via Impero as we had an incident where a student did an online assessment and essentially used ChatGPT to write their answers. The teacher noticed the this purely due to the language the student used was way above their normal ability.

 

I've now been ask by Computer Science teachers that it must be able to the CS students to complete a specific peice of work. I've batted the request up to Senior Management Team as I believe this a decision they need to make and at this time have been asked to open it only to specific students for these specific lessons which is going to cause a few headaches in administrating that.

 

So, question is - do you allow it at all or for some? Seems odd to me that they are being asked to use this now for something that hasn't been around that long in reality.

 

Pete

Edited February 27, 2024 by FragglePete

[Theblacksheep]

"If you are under 18 you must have your parent or legal guardian's permission to use the Services."

 

blocked for all.

[cdwyersandysecondary]

Morning all,

 

Do you allow students to access ChatGPT ?

 

The reason I ask, is that it was blocked by default by SWGfL / RM - but I've opened it up for Staff. But still keep the block in place for students via Impero as we had an incident where a student did an online assessment and essentially used ChatGPT to write their answers. The teacher noticed the this purely due to the language the student used was way above their normal ability.

 

I've now been ask by Computer Science teachers that it must be able to the CS students to complete a specific peice of work. I've batted the request up to Senior Management Team as I believe this a decision they need to make and at this time have been asked to open it only to specific students for these specific lessons which is going to cause a few headaches in administrating that.

 

So, question is - do you allow it at all or for some? Seems odd to me that they are being asked to use this now for something that hasn't been around that long in reality.

 

Pete

 

We have embraced it as we feel it’s almost inevitable, from my own perspective I feel it’s better to educate on the pro’s and con’s and repercussions for misuse, rather than blocking it entirely. Just my two pence!

[Rob_D]

We have embraced it as we feel it’s almost inevitable, from my own perspective I feel it’s better to educate on the pro’s and con’s and repercussions for misuse, rather than blocking it entirely. Just my two pence!

You can teach it without giving the kids direct access. In fact, you would have to as letting them use GPT would be against the ToS.

 

We aren't blocking GPT as standard, although that might change.

 

What about Bing chat/copilot? (and I'm sure if they haven't got one yet google isn't far behind)

[mavhc]

"If you are under 18 you must have your parent or legal guardian's permission to use the Services."

 

blocked for all.

 

You've blocked every website with an age restriction? wow

[Theblacksheep]

You've blocked every website with an age restriction? wow

 

You've got parental consent for every unblocked website with a TOS age restriction. Impressed.

[Rob_D]

You've got parental consent for every unblocked website with a TOS age restriction. Impressed.

Come on, you two.

Not-blocking a site and requiring the students to use it are 2 different things.

Frist let's draw the destitution between proactively "allowing" the site, and simply "not blocking" it.

So, yes if you're unblocking a site, then there's probably an expectation the kids would be using it, so yes, you would need parental consent if that's what the sites ToS require.

If you're just not blocking it but also not asking the kids to use it then I don't see why you would need consent.

 

True, if the kids can't use GPT without breaking ToS then there's little point in actively un-blocking it. But over-blocking is a consideration that has to be taken into account and kids need to learn that just because it they can doesn't mean they should.

[TechMonkey]

What about Bing chat/copilot? (and I'm sure if they haven't got one yet google isn't far behind)

 

I am a bit fuzzy on all the ins and outs but you can control Copilot (the chat not for M365) in your tenant settings and another benefit it keeps everything within your cloud. If you have set users with age indicators it will allow and disallow per age.

[sigma]

"If you are under 18 you must have your parent or legal guardian's permission to use the Services."

 

blocked for all.

 

We don't have a 6th form, so blocked.

[Quinn]

We have blocked it for all students including 6th form and allowed for staff. I've noticed windows 11 has Copilot auto installing as well to staff devices as a preview app. At the end of the day if they really wanted to use it they could just flick on 4G on their phone and use it.

[Olliedawg]

I have chatGPT + Copilot blocked here for students. Staff are allowed though.

[Andrew_C]

I wonder how "in-loco parentis" and "legal guardian" square up here...?

[FN-GM]

I can’t see why you would block it. Teach the students of the use it properly. If you block it they will just use it to cheat from home.

 

Do you block Wikipedia as the kids could just copy and paste content from there?

[mavhc]

You've got parental consent for every unblocked website with a TOS age restriction. Impressed.

 

That's the teacher's problem, how would I know?

 

Just because it's unblocked doesn't mean they can use it. Also why do I care about a website's TOS?

[TechMonkey]

That's the teacher's problem, how would I know?

 

Just because it's unblocked doesn't mean they can use it. Also why do I care about a website's TOS?

 

ah.. but... Ehh..... You..! Seriously?

[GrumbleDook]

I wonder how "in-loco parentis" and "legal guardian" square up here...?

 

Pretty irrelevant, to be honest. It is more about who is the Data Controller ... the school or the provider?

[GrumbleDook]

That's the teacher's problem, how would I know?

 

Just because it's unblocked doesn't mean they can use it. Also why do I care about a website's TOS?

 

Erm, you care because the ToS gives some of the details about whether the school is the Data Controller or the provider is.

If it is the provider, then consent is needed ... if the ToS says no to under 18, you can't get consent anyway.

The provider would also be classed as an Information Society Service, and so also fall under The Children's Code.

[Rob_D]

Erm, you care because the ToS gives some of the details about whether the school is the Data Controller or the provider is.

If it is the provider, then consent is needed ... if the ToS says no to under 18, you can't get consent anyway.

The provider would also be classed as an Information Society Service, and so also fall under The Children's Code.

 

Surely that's only applicable if the school (or someone at the school) is directing or suggesting the students use that site.

 

Again, it's the grey area between having the children use the site/service and blocking it that statistically a large chunk of the internet probably falls into.

You can't practically block every site that's not been vetted and approved (well you could, but then you'd be over-blocking).

[chazzy2501]

hugh.... I was just reading this wondering the consequences of a chat ai in the classroom.... Do you think it could replace the teaching assistance....es.

 

how long till management catch wind of this thought. (approx 3 months)

[Theblacksheep]

hugh.... I was just reading this wondering the consequences of a chat ai in the classroom.... Do you think it could replace the teaching assistance....es.

 

how long till management catch wind of this thought. (approx 3 months)

 

When an ai company spams them with emails.

[sigma]

hugh.... I was just reading this wondering the consequences of a chat ai in the classroom.... Do you think it could replace the teaching assistance....es.

 

how long till management catch wind of this thought. (approx 3 months)

 

How many pupils have the critical thinking skills for this?

[GrumbleDook]

Surely that's only applicable if the school (or someone at the school) is directing or suggesting the students use that site.

 

Again, it's the grey area between having the children use the site/service and blocking it that statistically a large chunk of the internet probably falls into.

You can't practically block every site that's not been vetted and approved (well you could, but then you'd be over-blocking).

 

Yep, this is exactly the issue, and why anything that is the result of direction or instruction from the school has to be risk assessed.

One problem, linked with KCSiE and Prevent, is that you still need to take care about what sites and tools children are using. This is the difficult aspect of Filtering and Monitoring that varies from school to school. You know something could be a problem but don't do something about it? What exactly is the problem? What risk could it introduce? Is this an area already covered in how the school operates?

 

It does open more questions than provides answers, but that's the whole point. Encouraging folk to question rather than just letting it ride through with no checks (n.b. I am not say that you or any others on the site would let things just ride ... it is a general observation about what can happen).

[mavhc]

If the page starts sending keywords which are banned, then the filtering system should close the page. It's why we don't block google.com

[kennysarmy]

We have the category ai tools blocked for students but have discovered they are still able to get on to : https://safe.duckduckgo.com/?q=DuckDuckGo+AI+Chat&ia=chat&duckai=1

@tom_newton

[tom_newton]

I#ll have someone take a look