Coronavirus: General discussion (see opening post for rules)

[elsiegee40]

Mr gee40 and I walked into town to have AZ#2 this evening and stopped off at Pizza Express on the return journey for dinner. All very civilised.

 

I have to get up at 05:45 so I am at the rescue for 07:00. Hoping for no reaction 🤞🏻

[vikpaw]

Mr gee40 and I walked into town to have AZ#2 this evening and stopped off at Pizza Express on the return journey for dinner. All very civilised.

 

I have to get up at 05:45 so I am at the rescue for 07:00. Hoping for no reaction 🤞🏻

 

Hope you're doing alright.

P.S. Thanks for using Pizza Express, they're in Special Measures and need every bit of custom they can get.

[elsiegee40]

Hope you're doing alright.

P.S. Thanks for using Pizza Express, they're in Special Measures and need every bit of custom they can get.

 

Arm a bit sore at 05:45 , but otherwise OK. Baby birds will be fed by me this morning

[jthompson]

Had my second Saturday. The needle hurt MUCH more than last time and my arm is much more sore. Other than that - just a bit tired but that may or may not be related

 

After several rounds of giving my wife injections on a daily basis for weeks at a time, I'm of the opinion that not all hypodermic needles are created equal. Some definitely seem sharper and smoother that others.

[E_G_R2]

After several rounds of giving my wife injections on a daily basis for weeks at a time, I'm of the opinion that not all hypodermic needles are created equal. Some definitely seem sharper and smoother that others.

I used to have Jabs for hey fever and was told by the nurse that some needles weren't as good as others.

[6Foot2]

 

[vikpaw]

After several rounds of giving my wife injections on a daily basis for weeks at a time, I'm of the opinion that not all hypodermic needles are created equal. Some definitely seem sharper and smoother that others.

 

I used to have Jabs for hey fever and was told by the nurse that some needles weren't as good as others.

 

It also massively depends on the operator!

Little pricks?! Hmm 🤔

[6Foot2]

 

That's the opposite of what we should be doing!

 

[6Foot2]

This could also go in "Annoying Things"

 

A few days ago 5Foot2 and I received texts from NHS Booking confirming our upcoming second injections with the correct date, time, and booking references. The text also invited us to bring our injections closer to an earlier date, but as the difference is only a few days, and as the already agreed appointments mean that we can go at the same time, we decided to leave things as they are.

 

Today 5Foot2 and I received texts confirming our upcoming second injections with the correct booking references but changed dates and times, these changes having been made without our knowledge or agreement.

 

What a mess!

 

Edit: More messy!

 

I had a look at the website for my appointment:

 

Link: Book or manage your coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccination - NHS

 

That shows the correct date and time.

 

An old boss of mine would call it "A b*gger's muddle"

 

Edited May 29, 2021 by 6Foot2

[mikeprice]

Mrs mikeprice's son came over this afternoon - with his partner and their kids

 

turns out his partner (aka wifewhentheygetroundtoit) had her first jab this morning

 

so that's another one done!

[mavhc]

Keep SARS-COV-2 safe by not letting it inside humans who will try to destroy it.

[southhamster]

Had my second AZ jab yesterday. Feeling smug because the first one just left me with slight nausea and a sore arm. Cold and shivery last night and been in bed most of today. Feeling a bit better now but serves me right for thinking it would be the same!

[mavhc]

R number now 1.0-1.1, cases up 32%, patients admitted to hospital up 23%

[Ditto]

Zero deaths reported in UK yesterday. 75% in UK will have had first vaccine by today, if not already. 75% could be a key milestone even for the unvaccinated based on a study in Brazil.

[paulkerton]

Zero deaths reported in UK yesterday. 75% in UK will have had first vaccine by today, if not already. 75% could be a key milestone even for the unvaccinated based on a study in Brazil.

 

We need to get to 75% with both, that's the milestone. 75% for one is great, and as I got my first injection on the day it got to 50% for one injection we'll be at 50% for 2 by the end of the month.

But wouldn't it be sensible to not unlock any further until we've gotten more people double vaccinated. We're so close now that we shouldn't throw it away at this point.

[malware]

We need to get to 75% with both, that's the milestone. 75% for one is great, and as I got my first injection on the day it got to 50% for one injection we'll be at 50% for 2 by the end of the month.

But wouldn't it be sensible to not unlock any further until we've gotten more people double vaccinated. We're so close now that we shouldn't throw it away at this point.

 

2021-05-10_COVID-19_Press_Conference_Slides__for_publication_.pdf (publishing.service.gov.uk)

 

Have a look at the Test 2 slide, it wouldn't really make sense to wait for 75% for the 2nd dose.

 

The over 65s make up so many of the deaths compared to how little they caught the virus, compare that with younger people who have such little deaths compared to the overwhelming majority of cases.

 

Waiting in semi-lockdown for anyone below 50 seems a little extreme.

[paulkerton]

The over 65s make up so many of the deaths compared to how little they caught the virus, compare that with younger people who have such little deaths compared to the overwhelming majority of cases.

Waiting in semi-lockdown for anyone below 50 seems a little extreme.

 

It isnt just about death though is it? Long Covid is a thing, that exists and could cause log jams in the NHS now, and for decades ahead.

I'm still trying to figure out what people think that's still locked down that they can't wait for a few weeks more for. We're only keeping mass gatherings limited at the moment, everything else is available.

We can't keep making the same mistake of opening up too soon, because that just leaves us having to close down again.

[malware]

It isnt just about death though is it? Long Covid is a thing, that exists and could cause log jams in the NHS now, and for decades ahead.

I'm still trying to figure out what people think that's still locked down that they can't wait for a few weeks more for. We're only keeping mass gatherings limited at the moment, everything else is available.

We can't keep making the same mistake of opening up too soon, because that just leaves us having to close down again.

 

There is zero evidence long covid would cause log jams in the NHS, bear in mind it is such early days that we can't even say for certain that long covid exists.

 

All long-covid cases so far have been self-reported rather than clinical diagnosis and can include a broad range of symptoms such as fatigue, muscle pain, and difficulty concentrating.

 

Some doctors have hypothesized that it could be similar to fibromyalgia or chronic fatigue syndrome, where its more dependent on the person themselves rather than the actual virus.

 

Besides, we have only had the vaccine since December, this is not like previous lockdowns... I wouldn't be opposed to another few weeks or a month...

[enbiggen]

It isnt just about death though is it? Long Covid is a thing, that exists and could cause log jams in the NHS now, and for decades ahead.

 

It's also about variations - the fewer opportunities for variants to develop the better. (Although we have to hope that we haven't left it too late with the Delta variant which our vaccine looks to be less affective against.)

[paulkerton]

There is zero evidence long covid would cause log jams in the NHS, bear in mind it is such early days that we can't even say for certain that long covid exists.

Except we can see that there are long term effects and yes they're very similar to CFS. If Covid is triggering this, particularly in the young, then we should try to be cautious to minimise any issues. We certainly seem to have a lot more CFS happening all of a sudden post Covid. Now, correlation doesn't necessarily equal causation, but when it comes to "after medical incident, this medical incident" then we can treat that correlation a bit differently to "after quasi-religious incantation, this medical incident".

 

Remember, these are the same people that told us that schools were safe and weren't vectors of infection. They then closed the schools as vectors of infection after reopening them for one day.

They then said that again, they weren't vectors they just reflected community transmission.

Then the graphs repeatedly showed that coincindentally community transmission went down when schools were on termly or half-termly breaks and up again when they returned. The biggest age group for infection at the moment is 10-19, and then after that 30-39 which is, i'm sure completely coincidentally, the age group most likely to parent the biggest age group. Just a coincidence they say...

[malware]

Except we can see that there are long term effects and yes they're very similar to CFS. If Covid is triggering this, particularly in the young, then we should try to be cautious to minimise any issues. We certainly seem to have a lot more CFS happening all of a sudden post Covid. Now, correlation doesn't necessarily equal causation, but when it comes to "after medical incident, this medical incident" then we can treat that correlation a bit differently to "after quasi-religious incantation, this medical incident".

 

Remember, these are the same people that told us that schools were safe and weren't vectors of infection. They then closed the schools as vectors of infection after reopening them for one day.

They then said that again, they weren't vectors they just reflected community transmission.

Then the graphs repeatedly showed that coincindentally community transmission went down when schools were on termly or half-termly breaks and up again when they returned. The biggest age group for infection at the moment is 10-19, and then after that 30-39 which is, i'm sure completely coincidentally, the age group most likely to parent the biggest age group. Just a coincidence they say...

 

I don't know about you, but I'd say it's pretty reasonable to believe you're more fatigued, have brain fog and feel 'not right' after catching and recovering from a disease that has been globally covered and feared. Especially if you had to be hospitalized, as we already know people often get post-intensive care syndrome and post-viral fatigue.

 

I think it's similar when people say 'they don't feel right' weeks after their vaccine, the human mind is funny sometimes. Placebo studies are a great example of this.

 

I think i'll stay out of politics though, that's one thing no one will ever agree on.

[paulkerton]

I don't know about you, but I'd say it's pretty reasonable to believe you're more fatigued, have brain fog and feel 'not right' after catching and recovering from a disease that has been globally covered and feared. Especially if you had to be hospitalized, as we already know people often get post-intensive care syndrome and post-viral fatigue.

 

CFS is known to be triggered by viral infections. If a side-effect of Covid is an increase in this, then we really, really, really should play this as cautiously as possible. Especially as CFS is known to disproprtionately affect the young, who've already spent 18 months being disproportionately affected by a virus that doesn't affect them as much as the old. They've given up months of their life to protect older people, and have been prioritised last virtually all of the way.

 

If everyone else getting an injection helps protect them, until they can get jabs themselves (probably on the return of schools and colleges in September) then I do believe we should delay a few weeks to make sure we do so.

[malware]

CFS is known to be triggered by viral infections. If a side-effect of Covid is an increase in this, then we really, really, really should play this as cautiously as possible. Especially as CFS is known to disproprtionately affect the young, who've already spent 18 months being disproportionately affected by a virus that doesn't affect them as much as the old. They've given up months of their life to protect older people, and have been prioritised last virtually all of the way.

 

If everyone else getting an injection helps protect them, until they can get jabs themselves (probably on the return of schools and colleges in September) then I do believe we should delay a few weeks to make sure we do so.

 

I'm 24 years old, I have not had my first dose of vaccine yet. I think the vaccine rollout is going extremely, extremely well. I think you're holding a particularly pessimistic view probably due to in-part your distrust of our current government, unless you're speaking of under 16s who are not currently included in the 'adult population' rollout - in which case there is not enough data and as far as I know, haven't been told they will be receiving one? Perhaps I'm wrong considering the US is now vaccinating the younger population.

 

Like i said in my 2nd post, I wouldn't be opposed to a few extra weeks, it would help me get my first dose before the full unlock. Also, can we just shutdown nightclubs forever please?

[elsiegee40]

I don't know about you, but I'd say it's pretty reasonable to believe you're more fatigued, have brain fog and feel 'not right' after catching and recovering from a disease that has been globally covered and feared. Especially if you had to be hospitalized, as we already know people often get post-intensive care syndrome and post-viral fatigue.

 

I think it's similar when people say 'they don't feel right' weeks after their vaccine, the human mind is funny sometimes. Placebo studies are a great example of this.

 

I think i'll stay out of politics though, that's one thing no one will ever agree on.

 

You haven’t met anyone with Long Covid have you?

 

My daughter’s best friend is a nurse at Great Ormond Street. She went down with covid on Boxing Day. She finally got back to work on a phased return a couple of weeks ago. She isn’t out the other side of this by any means.

 

Also follow Michael Rosen. His symptoms are definitely not in his mind. It’s affected his eyesight among other things.

 

Long covid is far from “mental health problems” What I have read about it suggests that medical practitioners are still learning about it rather than saying it doesn’t exist.

Edited June 2, 2021 by elsiegee40

[witch]

It isnt just about death though is it? Long Covid is a thing, that exists and could cause log jams in the NHS now, and for decades ahead.

I'm still trying to figure out what people think that's still locked down that they can't wait for a few weeks more for. We're only keeping mass gatherings limited at the moment, everything else is available.

We can't keep making the same mistake of opening up too soon, because that just leaves us having to close down again.

 

Amateur Orchestras and Bands, Festivals, etc. Numbers at theatres, cinemas and the like so that you can actually get a ticket. Speaking as a musician - waiting and waiting and waiting is not doing my mental health any good - at least let us go back if we have been vaccinated

 

I see it is OK for massed football fans to sing together, but not a choir or orchestra with less than 100 people