New Diesel And Petrol Vehicles To Be Banned From 2040 In UK - BBC News

[6Foot2]

Link: New diesel and petrol vehicles to be banned from 2040 in UK - BBC News

[mjk]

Hope the school starts building some car charging ports soon!

[unixman_again]

Presumably diesel trains and diesel generators will still be allowed?

 

The electrification of the current rail network won't be completed by 2040.

[HarryMonkey]

Presumably diesel trains and diesel generators will still be allowed?

 

The electrification of the current rail network won't be completed.

 

FTFY

[nicholab]

Thing is there is the lag time for old cars to get out of the Main Stream use. That must be 10-20 years well I buy my cars at 7 years old and keep for 7 years.

[sted]

Presumably diesel trains and diesel generators will still be allowed?

 

The electrification of the current rail network won't be completed by 2040.

 

thats why there are batery powered train on trial.

Simplest way to reduce polution in city centres is to get busses to go electric they generally go from point a to point b and stop at either end so it should be possible to shove a chaging point at either end to keep them charged up during the day (might mean having a few extra busses so bus comes into end stop people get off gets locked and driver grabs bus in next bay over thats been charging for a while to take back repeat to fade or even have overhead power in areas wheere its sensible to charge em up (so like an old trolleybus)

 

as to changing junstions/lights etc to be more effecient why isnt that already being done as the shorter time a journey is the least polution it creates and stopping/starting uses up far more fuel than coasting at a steady speed

[cpjitservices]

thats why there are batery powered train on trial.

Simplest way to reduce polution in city centres is to get busses to go electric they generally go from point a to point b and stop at either end so it should be possible to shove a chaging point at either end to keep them charged up during the day (might mean having a few extra busses so bus comes into end stop people get off gets locked and driver grabs bus in next bay over thats been charging for a while to take back repeat to fade or even have overhead power in areas wheere its sensible to charge em up (so like an old trolleybus)

 

as to changing junstions/lights etc to be more effecient why isnt that already being done as the shorter time a journey is the least polution it creates and stopping/starting uses up far more fuel than coasting at a steady speed

 

Great Idea if you want the bus to wait for 3 to 4 hours whilst it charges at either end - the current BMW offering combines petrol and battery, fully charged the full range of the batteries is 25 miles give or take if you want to keep up with traffic. I cant imagine the size of the batteries a bus is going to need.

[elsiegee40]

Central London's buses are now Hydrogen powered rather than electric

[JJonas]

There are nano-batteries in development with very fast charge times. They probably wont initially replace the batteries in an electric car but could be used in conjunction to allow you to do a quick top-up to allow you to get home or get nearer to home.

[sted]

Great Idea if you want the bus to wait for 3 to 4 hours whilst it charges at either end - the current BMW offering combines petrol and battery, fully charged the full range of the batteries is 25 miles give or take if you want to keep up with traffic. I cant imagine the size of the batteries a bus is going to need.

 

if the bus is only doing 10 miles or so per run shouldnt take that long to top it up im not talking about a full charge nesescarily just enough to keep it toped up so it can be a smaller battery than one that actually lasts all day

[DavePa]

If Elon Musk gets his way we won't need cars by 2040 as we'll all be using hyperloops instead. Having said that I can imagine electric cars being great fun if the could work out a way to upscale scalextrix....

[just_david]

I wish they'd target HGV's and light trucks though.

 

They actually account for nearly double the pollution cars do. Gas boilers in houses 3 times the amount.

 

Scapegoating of the motorist again to score easy point with the green lobby instead of doing something that'll actually achieve anything

[Davit2005]

Oh well 2040 is five years after my driving license runs out. Grants should be provided to orgs and businesses for Elec points.

 

Living in a flat how the hell do I get a charging point for my car which is parked on the roadside, I'd seriously consider a Elec car now if I could get a charging point to me car.

 

What about public transport? If it was cheaper, ran more often, earlier in the morning and I didn't have to use Southern trains I'd consider go back to public transport again.

Edited July 26, 2017 by Davit2005

[just_david]

What about public transport? If it was cheaper, ran more often, earlier in the morning and I didn't have to use Southern trains I'd consider go back to public transport again.

 

That's definitely something that needs to be changed.

 

Getting the bus in and out of Bristol works out nearly twice the price of driving in, even more with 2 people. Even the park and ride is more expensive than driving in and parking in the center

[jthompson]

It seems a bit strange that this is all supposedly about improving air quality. Surely there should be a more general low/zero carbon strategy that a ban on petrol/diesel vehicles fits into?

 

Also, I should imagine that most mainstream car makers will have moved onto being predominantly electric before 2040, so it's a bit of an open goal. I guess it gives me permission to give up my dream of owning a big, thumping V8 Corvette, which was never looking that likely anyway.

[LeMarchand]

Thing is there is the lag time for old cars to get out of the Main Stream use. That must be 10-20 years well I buy my cars at 7 years old and keep for 7 years.

 

Yep, what happens to folk who can't afford new cars? I can't see second hand non-petrol/diesel cars being practical by then. I looked into it recently and I can't afford a non-fossil car and if I could they don't have the range to get e down for the monthly check up on the Aged P.

 

Many people rely on cars to keep them in employment; if they can't afford to run a car, they can't work.

[just_david]

Yep, what happens to folk who can't afford new cars? I can't see second hand non-petrol/diesel cars being practical by then. I looked into it recently and I can't afford a non-fossil car and if I could they don't have the range to get e down for the monthly check up on the Aged P.

 

Many people rely on cars to keep them in employment; if they can't afford to run a car, they can't work.

 

My problems less the cost more the lack of infrasructure.

 

a 200 mile range I could work with, but i often go far more than 100 miles without going anywhere near somewhere with power, or at least available power.

If every carpark had a charger in every bay, i'd still be screwed on the days where I'm parking on the roadside

[unixman_again]

thats why there are batery powered train on trial.

Simplest way to reduce polution in city centres is to get busses to go electric they generally go from point a to point b and stop at either end so it should be possible to shove a chaging point at either end to keep them charged up during the day (might mean having a few extra busses so bus comes into end stop people get off gets locked and driver grabs bus in next bay over thats been charging for a while to take back repeat to fade or even have overhead power in areas wheere its sensible to charge em up (so like an old trolleybus)

 

Trolleybuses were good.

 

Future technology for buses could be the Parry People Mover although it is probably better suited to light rail. I ride it every day to work. The current version has a van engine converted to LPG. One proposal for longer lines is to have a short section of third rail at each stop and have the car electrically powered. Earlier in the week, John Parry himself was on board.

 

Here's an idea for public transport, but have the riders powering the bus rather than wasting all that energy

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[HPlum78]

Surly this will be the start of the end of owning your own car...?

[just_david]

Surly this will be the start of the end of owning your own car...?

But who is that realistic for other than a few pipe dreamers in silicone valley or London?

 

I don't live in a city, and work in primarily rural locations and often need the car on short to no notice.

 

A rental scheme isn't even close to being an option for me. Not in any of the methods currently suggested

[tg12]

I'm a self-confessed petrolhead but I'm glad things like this are starting to happen. We need to really push to produce vehicles that use cleaner energy and do something to improve the air quality in places like London which is well over the EU's limits on this. In fact, cleaning up the air needs to happen sooner than 2040.

[jthompson]

But who is that realistic for other than a few pipe dreamers in silicone valley or London?

 

Silicone Valley? Sounds like fun.

[Davit2005]

Half my gripe is about no joined up thinking. They are all about cutting down pollution/congestion. But we need good public transport, only now we are getting some services in London running 24 hours. I live in Watford, not a million miles away and I can't get a first train that arrives in London before 6am.

 

Factor in the reliability of Public services, this needs to be improved, all the battery cars in the world will not solve the congestion issue around major cities. And their are still people who can't use public transport due to disabilities or the fact that their are no public transport links where they commute/live.

Edited July 26, 2017 by Davit2005

[Geoff]

I wish they'd target HGV's and light trucks though.

 

 

What's worse are ships.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_shipping

 

What's even worse than ships is meat production.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enteric_fermentation

[jthompson]

This video gives an interesting look at how our overall energy usage may need to change. It's from a zero carbon perspective, but that ought to be the goal imho (clean air would come free with that?). Transport is a huge chunk of our energy usage, and here they break it down into road freight, shipping, air travel, etc.

 

Edit: emissions are likely proportioned quite differently to energy usage. I can't remember where, but I remember seeing how much of our road emissions are attributed to lorries and other large diesels: it was the overwhelming majority, so much so that to start cleaning up other vehicles first would be silly.

Edited July 26, 2017 by jthompson