Tesla Model 3

[houlta]

Isn't comparing the price of an old car to a brand new car... a bit unfair?

 

 

No.

 

All I'm bothered about is how much it costs overall, if it's cheaper to pollute the environment then I'll carry on doing it.

There might be an exception to the rule here but it would involve a decent salary which isn't going to happen in this line of work

[Theblacksheep]

No.

 

All I'm bothered about is how much it costs overall, if it's cheaper to pollute the environment then I'll carry on doing it.

 

Haha.

 

I think that's why we're being charged £12 to drive a diesel into London now. This economic enforcement technique will spread rapidly.

[sted]

Haha.

 

I think that's why we're being charged £12 to drive a diesel into London now. This economic enforcement technique will spread rapidly.

 

from my experience driving in london i dont want to they are all lunatics down there.

 

i think the best way to get evs out there is to push people who have more than 1 car towards them (maybe if you have car a and an ev reduce the tax on the 1st car a bit granted this is open to abuse but its just an idea) that way they can still have a range capable (for want of a better term) car and one thats electric. that solves some of the current problems gets more evs out there so they get cheaper and helps with infrastructure

[jmak]

When BMW launched the i3 and i8 if you took a lease deal, it included occasional use of an alternative ICE car for when the BEV range wasn't enough. Could work for a lot of people during the transition.

[casey]

 

All I'm bothered about is how much it costs overall, if it's cheaper to pollute the environment then I'll carry on doing it.

There might be an exception to the rule here but it would involve a decent salary which isn't going to happen in this line of work

 

If it's not practical to own or someone can't afford an EV, and many can't, fair enough. And you're right about the salary in this job.

 

But the first line of your quote.....

 

It's time for me to bow out of this discussion.

[houlta]

If it's not practical to own or someone can't afford an EV, and many can't, fair enough. And you're right about the salary in this job.

 

But the first line of your quote.....

 

It's time for me to bow out of this discussion.

 

Just honesty about the situation tbh

It doesn't stop me wanting one though!

Sigh, I'll buy another lottery ticket today

[casey]

Just honesty about the situation tbh

It doesn't stop me wanting one though!

Sigh, I'll buy another lottery ticket today

 

I haven't stopped wanting a Tesla since I hired a Model S for a week about 2 years ago, sigh indeed.

 

Lotto here I come.

[casey]

 

Sob. Mine for a mere week.

Edited May 3, 2019 by casey

[denzal2k4]

Nissan were (and maybe still are) doing the same thing, you got 10 days free use of an ICE car, which I used and it worked really well, sad that the price I would have to pay for the same car today is more than double! I paid £3k deposit and £130 per month, current Leaf is about £5k deposit and over £300 a month! Hence the current 2nd hand BMW diesel estate £3000.

 

When BMW launched the i3 and i8 if you took a lease deal, it included occasional use of an alternative ICE car for when the BEV range wasn't enough. Could work for a lot of people during the transition.

[sted]

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Sob.

could be worse

[casey]

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could be worse

 

Oh yes that's much worse, I'll stick to my plain white Zoe.

[Sephiroth]

Nissan were (and maybe still are) doing the same thing, you got 10 days free use of an ICE car, which I used and it worked really well, sad that the price I would have to pay for the same car today is more than double! I paid £3k deposit and £130 per month, current Leaf is about £5k deposit and over £300 a month! Hence the current 2nd hand BMW diesel estate £3000.

 

They are still doing it. It was explained to me recently that they market it towards people that take holidays to places that don't have charging infrastructure. Everything is covered except insurance and fuel, which is fair enough.

 

On a similar note, Nissan (and probably others) are doing a borrowing scheme, where you take a new Leaf for a couple of days and drive it as your car so you can see how it'll go for you, how the charging is in your area and what the car is actually like to live with. Again, all you pay for are power and insurance.

[bald_pig]

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could be worse

 

Do not talk badly of Burnie Burns' Tesla, that thing is a piece of art!

 

As for the previous comments regarding motorcycles, the notion that you can just carry a spare battery is laughable. They are the size of the engine in an ICE bike, are heavy, and you aren't chucking it in a backpack! Add to that the fact that the ev bikes are still not cheap, it's still a better option to get an ICE bike that will be economical on fuel and have a much longer range.

[Arthur]

VW ID.3 1st Pre-book link (it's a bit cheaper than a Tesla Model 3!)...

 

www.volkswagen.co.uk/e-mobility/en/id-family/id.html

 

Edited May 8, 2019 by Arthur

[Theblacksheep]

VW ID.3 1st Pre-book link (it's a bit cheaper than a Tesla Model 3!)...

 

www.volkswagen.co.uk/e-mobility/en/id-family/id.html

 

E40k euro = £40k + 10% by the time this comes out?

 

At least there is a more reasonable £30k version in 2 years.

 

Main trouble we have from all the mainstream manufactures catching up with Tesla is that most are still 2020/2021 cars for not alot cheaper (if at all) than a model 3 balancing out infrastructure/performance/range/infotainment

[mavhc]

£6500 for my 3 year old Leaf, 2p/mile, £0 tax, nothing to service, pays for itself.

 

What we need to do is quadruple the price of petrol and diesel to pay to clean up the pollution they cause. World spends $3 trillion on fossil fuel subsidies per year.

 

Not sure which annoys ICE drivers more, my Leaf beating them off the traffic lights, or driving in the bus/ev lane at rush hour while they're in a queue, or that my car appreciates in value over time, while I pay basically nothing to run it.

[Davit2005]

£6500 for my 3 year old Leaf, 2p/mile, £0 tax, nothing to service, pays for itself.

 

What we need to do is quadruple the price of petrol and diesel to pay to clean up the pollution they cause. World spends $3 trillion on fossil fuel subsidies per year.

 

Not sure which annoys ICE drivers more, my Leaf beating them off the traffic lights, or driving in the bus/ev lane at rush hour while they're in a queue, or that my car appreciates in value over time, while I pay basically nothing to run it.

 

I stand by the need to improve charging facilities and this has been discussed in other threads.

 

The fact is that the infrastructure is not even close to make owning an EV practical for a lot of drivers period.... It may suit some people but not all. T

 

I doubt the public/companies will put up with substantial fuel cost increase.

Edited May 22, 2019 by Davit2005

[3s-gtech]

Increasing fuel (especially diesel) costs will have a crippling effect on prices of products, as the government systematically destroyed the railway infrastructure that was well suited to electrification. So no, we can’t just do that.

[elsiegee40]

I stand by the need to improve charging facilities and this has been discussed in other threads.

 

The fact is that the infrastructure is not even close to make owning an EV practical for a lot of drivers period.... It may suit some people but not all.

 

I agree. Until the charging infrastructure exists, electric isn’t an option for us.

 

We enjoy birdwatching and spend a lot of time in remote places with no sign of anywhere to charge to vehicles.

 

We went on holiday to the Lakes last week. We would have been completely stuffed with an electric vehicle. We couldn’t even have made it to the Lakes from Kent without a lengthy stop to charge as I understand it.

 

The infrastructure and charging capabilities need to improve before we would consider an electric vehicle.

[bald_pig]

Not sure which annoys ICE drivers more, my Leaf beating them off the traffic lights, or driving in the bus/ev lane at rush hour while they're in a queue, or that my car appreciates in value over time, while I pay basically nothing to run it.

 

I think it's the pretentious waffle from the drivers...

[localzuk]

I agree. Until the charging infrastructure exists, electric isn’t an option for us.

We enjoy birdwatching and spend a lot of time in remote places with no sign of anywhere to charge to vehicles.

We went on holiday to the Lakes last week. We would have been completely stuffed with an electric vehicle. We couldn’t even have made it to the Lakes from Kent without a lengthy stop to charge as I understand it.

The infrastructure and charging capabilities need to improve before we would consider an electric vehicle.

May I ask how often you go on these long journeys? Only, with the majority of people, long journeys are an exception rather than the norm. Leading to people to buy a car for the "occasional" rather than what they do every day. Whereas, you could rent a vehicle for those occasional long trips, for example. A 2 week rental on something like an Insignia is about £250.

 

Of course, if you're going on these long trips every week, then that's a different matter, but if you're doing it only a couple of times a year then you may be shooting yourself in the foot.

[howartp]

We went on holiday to the Lakes last week. We would have been completely stuffed with an electric vehicle. We couldn’t even have made it to the Lakes from Kent without a lengthy stop to charge as I understand it.

At say 300 miles (ok it's a bit more), a 40kWh Leaf does 150 miles, so 40 minute top-up would have got you there.

 

On a journey that length, i'd expect you to be stopping for 30 minutes for lunch / rest break.

 

2 stops of 20-30 minutes for loo/rest if you prefer to split it up.

 

I went Bradford to Southampton (250 miles) in my 24kWh Leaf (70-80 mile range) 2 years ago and still got there before my parents as they stop for the loo several times. (Now upgraded to 40kWH)

 

It all depends on your situation and circumstances; i'll never say EVs are right for everybody, but I do challenge "I couldn't drive 300+ miles without having to stop and charge" when we should all be taking regular breaks.

[elsiegee40]

May I ask how often you go on these long journeys? Only, with the majority of people, long journeys are an exception rather than the norm. Leading to people to buy a car for the "occasional" rather than what they do every day. Whereas, you could rent a vehicle for those occasional long trips, for example. A 2 week rental on something like an Insignia is about £250.

 

Of course, if you're going on these long trips every week, then that's a different matter, but if you're doing it only a couple of times a year then you may be shooting yourself in the foot.

 

With my mother living in Derbyshire (in a flat with on-street parking) and the nearest family living in Buckinghamshire, birding/walking trips and husband’s business trips we do long distance a lot. Our 4 year old Volvo has 80,000 on the clock.

 

It isn’t an option for us yet.

[elsiegee40]

At say 300 miles (ok it's a bit more), a 40kWh Leaf does 150 miles, so 40 minute top-up would have got you there.

 

On a journey that length, i'd expect you to be stopping for 30 minutes for lunch / rest break.

 

2 stops of 20-30 minutes for loo/rest if you prefer to split it up.

 

I went Bradford to Southampton (250 miles) in my 24kWh Leaf (70-80 mile range) 2 years ago and still got there before my parents as they stop for the loo several times. (Now upgraded to 40kWH)

 

It all depends on your situation and circumstances; i'll never say EVs are right for everybody, but I do challenge "I couldn't drive 300+ miles without having to stop and charge" when we should all be taking regular breaks.

 

We didn’t see a single charging point while we were up there. We also didn’t have a mobile signal, and the broadband was so flakey it was impossible to use for most of the trip. People may have noticed my absence from the forum by the lack of job posts!

 

We did not have an overnight charging option anywhere we stayed or daytime charging anywhere we went. You’re more likely to find us in the middle of a moor, so overnight charging options have to become mainstream before we will go electric.

 

Our ecologist daughter has the same problem. Drives long distances for work and the kind of places she goes to are even worse for charging. And believe me, she would be the first to save the planet by going electric if she could.

[supportman]

My girlfriend is currently looking at trading in her Range Rover Evoke for a model 3.

 

We are looking at the standard range plus in white with the 19 inch wheel upgrade.

 

She can sell the evoke for about 20k, so that leaves 22k to pay on the Model 3.

 

Looking at what options are best from leasing, hire purchase or buying it outright with cash.

 

Has anyone else bought one yet?