Deploying Windows 10

[Arthur]

I fail to see any logic in this. Chrome may get a boost in large networks because of it.

How many of them will use the long-term servicing branch though? I can't imagine many would.

[FN-GM]

How many of them will use the long-term servicing branch though? I can't imagine many would.

 

But you will get to a point where IE11 isn't supported by web applications and will start to become usless.

[gaz350b]

I've actually found edge better than IE11 at loading sites like our sharepoint 2010 site. IE11 needs to run in compatabilty mode otherwise admin pages fail to load, Where as edge just works. There is an interesting video on channel 9 explaining edges tech and approach to choosing which rendering engine to use.

[tmcd35]

But you will get to a point where IE11 isn't supported by web applications and will start to become usless.

 

My guess would be anyone who needs to use the LTSB probably isn't too worried about internet connectivity on that server. We're talking very specific, mission critical, cannot break under any circumstances, probably supporting legacy software, scenerios. It's not exactly the every day build any of us should be using, unless say Capita or Serco based their next MIS builds around this - which might make some sense.

[FN-GM]

My guess would be anyone who needs to use the LTSB probably isn't too worried about internet connectivity on that server. We're talking very specific, mission critical, cannot break under any circumstances, probably supporting legacy software, scenerios. It's not exactly the every day build any of us should be using, unless say Capita or Serco based their next MIS builds around this - which might make some sense.

 

Sorry I don't really know what your getting at?

[Arthur]

Sorry I don't really know what your getting at?

It's a non-issue for most businesses because they will be on the Current Branch (CBB) and can use Edge.

 

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Edited June 10, 2015 by Arthur

[snagrat]

My guess would be anyone who needs to use the LTSB probably isn't too worried about internet connectivity on that server. We're talking very specific, mission critical, cannot break under any circumstances, probably supporting legacy software, scenerios. It's not exactly the every day build any of us should be using, unless say Capita or Serco based their next MIS builds around this - which might make some sense.

 

Agreed.

 

I don't imagine systems running the LTSB to be browsing Facebook

[tmcd35]

Sorry I don't really know what your getting at?

 

As per @Arthur's post. The use if the LTSB would be on a very specific case by case scenario were the installed software isn't going to be updated frequently, if at all, in 10 years and certainly won't be needing internet connectivity.

 

There are still businesses running Win2k on mission critical hardware because the risks/costs of upgrading are too great. A lot of banking systems are still built around ancient COBOL applications for the same reasons. Think scenario's like Air Traffic Control, if they updated that system then they'd probably look at the LTSB branch.

 

In school about the only system I can think of that would benefit from that approach, with developer support, is the MIS system.

[LeMarchand]

I've actually found edge better than IE11 at loading sites like our sharepoint 2010 site. IE11 needs to run in compatabilty mode otherwise admin pages fail to load, Where as edge just works. There is an interesting video on channel 9 explaining edges tech and approach to choosing which rendering engine to use.

 

I've found that the MS Update catalogue won't work with Edge.

[Sheridan]

I was planning on deploying a trolley of wireless ssd based notebooks with Windows 10 on them, but frankly I'm a bit disappointed with our testing of Windows 10.

 

I like the boot speed, GUI and general feel of 10, but its got the same baggage as 8.1 - i.e the stupid metro apps that clog it up.

 

And the biggest problem? Joined to the domain means really long initial login times. 10 minutes for a first login, you've got to be kidding! - but its setting up all of the metro stuff - imagine this on a wireless laptop!

 

So we'll be sticking with 7 for this summer, until we can make 10 work properly.

[sted]

bit the bullet and shoved it on as a dual boot on a suite pc here (yes im not very busy) might have to try a fresh install on a vm as well as it gave me the option to sign-in with an office 365 account. It did after first boot though not allow me access to any settings lol

[FN-GM]

So if Edge isn't included and IE 11 side lined, what are you folks going to use for as the browser?

[Oaktech]

So if Edge isn't included and IE 11 side lined, what are you folks going to use for as the browser?

 

Chrome is the preferred browser here anyway, I guess I'll just keep using it. The fact that it can be tied down satisfactorily by GPO is a massive point in it's favour.

[tmcd35]

So if Edge isn't included and IE 11 side lined, what are you folks going to use for as the browser?

 

Chrome is always used regardless to what Microsoft bundle with the OS.

 

That said, I thought Edge was included as standard? The only people not getting Edge are on the LTSB release. So it's a non-issue.

[FN-GM]

Chrome is always used regardless to what Microsoft bundle with the OS.

 

That said, I thought Edge was included as standard? The only people not getting Edge are on the LTSB release. So it's a non-issue.

 

Well I am confused then? I thought it was Enterprise Edition not getting edge?

[JRowley]

I'm pretty sure Edge is available for every version of Windows 10, but if you use the LTSB release pattern you won't receive it.

 

So you can for example run Enterprise/Education on the CBB release pattern and make use of Edge if you wish. Really LTSB sounds more like what you would use on your servers, specific machines which are critical to have running without software issues which could be caused by updates. CBB is more likely what you would use in general.

 

This implies that Edge is an optional installation, be that a Windows Feature or a store app which you deploy as part of an image. By enabling LTSB on a machine you won't see or won't be able to deploy Edge.

Edited June 10, 2015 by JRowley

[tmcd35]

Well I am confused then? I thought it was Enterprise Edition not getting edge?

 

A quick scan here:

 

Microsoft Edge's enterprise absence may lead to Windows 10 fragmentation | TechRadar

 

Suggests we will have the power not to deploy Edge if we choose on Enterprise, and LTSB just plan won't get it. I suppose in Enterprise giving us the choice whether we want it or not makes sense. However, if you want Enterprise and Edge then there's nothing stopping you deploying it, just beware that LTSB won't auto updated but other versions should.

 

Typical MS 100 SKU's when 2 will do...

 

 

Still - Chrome

[Sheridan]

Why do MS always make such a hash of the licensing? Xp showed there was only the need for a) home and b) business/education versions

 

Have they never heard of the KISS principle

[sted]

Why do MS always make such a hash of the licensing? Xp showed there was only the need for a) home and b) business/education versions

 

Have they never heard of the KISS principle

 

is there even a need for that why cant we just have client/server why have a domain joinable and a non domain joinable version at all?

[GuyJD]

is there even a need for that why cant we just have client/server why have a domain joinable and a non domain joinable version at all?

Because then they can't charge a fortune for enterprise licenses.

[JRowley]

Because then they can't charge a fortune for enterprise licenses.

 

Isn't it the other way around? Windows licensing for business is cheap as chips compared to buying home licenses.

[FN-GM]

Because then they can't charge a fortune for enterprise licenses.

 

If you have SA its no more expensive. This is covered with EEES anyway.

[GuyJD]

I'm probably completely wrong here because we just stick with the OEM Pro copies we get with the hardware but don't you need to have an OEM version of windows already to upgrade it to an enterprise licence?

[sted]

I'm probably completely wrong here because we just stick with the OEM Pro copies we get with the hardware but don't you need to have an OEM version of windows already to upgrade it to an enterprise licence?

 

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[Arthur]

Well I am confused then? I thought it was Enterprise edition not getting Edge?

Ah! It all makes sense now. I guess you didn't read the article I linked to in post #47?

 

www.zdnet.com/article/some-windows-10-enterprise-users-wont-get-microsofts-edge-browser/

Edited June 10, 2015 by Arthur