NikChillin Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 Shocking! Daily Mail Girl groomed in classroom.
Joanne Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 Oh dear.... Love how the Daily Fail blow it all up... "this all happened on an iPad paid for by YOU!" Still... who blocks Skype? and who will be blocking it after seeing this?
Arreks Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 Daily Fail. I love how the article is focused on how evil the Internet and technology is - I mean fair enough, the school probably should have some filtering in the first place but the girl didn't exit off the website or anything. She obviously wanted to watch some creepy dude doing you know what so she's just as much to blame.
3s-gtech Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 Easy solution to all of this. Avoid the Daily Mail. Outrage, anger and fist-shaking all averted.
Joanne Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 Nana loves to buy the Daily Mail... I tell her she must like being angry when she reads the news. I always point out there is a story from another source which is the complete opposite of the DM article!
X-13 Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 Hang on... The girl started chatting to a guy she met on an adult website. On her unfiltered internet at home. Yet it's the school's fault because she signed into Skype, with her own account, at school, after the damage was done? How about instead of blaming the school, maybe teach your kids not to go on adult websites? Also Skype is encrypted... Doesn't that bork filtering?
kennysarmy Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 she could probably get skype on her own mobile phone too..... sighs.....
Tesla Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 Hang on... The girl started chatting to a guy she met on an adult website. On her unfiltered internet at home. Yet it's the school's fault because she signed into Skype, with her own account, at school, after the damage was done? How about instead of blaming the school, maybe teach your kids not to go on adult websites? Also Skype is encrypted... Doesn't that bork filtering? And the fact hat she lied about her age at the beginning.
X-13 Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 And the fact hat she lied about her age at the beginning. This sort of is why I'm glad I don't socialise... Wake up the morning after... "SURPRISE! I'm 15!" Nope.avi 1
Joanne Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 This sort of is why I'm glad I don't socialise... Wake up the morning after... "SURPRISE! I'm 15!" Nope.avi That's why you should go to over 21 places.... Aww yiisssss.
Garacesh Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 A schoolgirl was ‘groomed’ by a suspected paedophile as she sat in class using a taxpayer-funded iPad given to her by her teachers. OH-EM-GEE TAXPAYERS ARE FUNDING PAEDOPHILES NOW #PANIC This is the problem with provided devices for Students' to use as their own, you can't really do anything to manage them else it means they'll encounter a tonne of problems when they're at home and not connected to the school domain. (It's also an inherent problem with Apple products and a lot of tablets in general not really being made for anything other than single-user use on a bog-standard home network without anything like a domain in sight).. In a scenario like this the devices need to be left unmanaged and that allows students to install apps such as Skype and other 'banned' apps. Neither the school, nor Microsoft have facilitated paedophiles here.. What this is, is a string of coincidental events (none of which make this okay, but are a certainly more realistic view).. Girl is given iPad by school in a one-to-one scheme.. Nothing inherently wrong with that I guess (at least, not morally). Girl encounters paedophile online. Most likely not through Skype. Highly likely through Facebook. Girl mentions other ways she can be contacted (or more likely, paedophile requests she installs Skype one grooming has begun) Girl also uses iPad in school, so grooming can continue in school, too. Let us first mention that if the parents had taken more of an active interest in their daughters online behaviour they might have picked this up, too. I'll bet you a pound to a pinch of.... that this hasn't happened 100% at school. The only thing the school really could have done from a technological view is use a proxy server to deny the use of Skype/Facebook/Etc on the school WiFi (and even then WiFi hotspots with a phones LTE connection are still an option). Staff could have paid a bit better attention but on tablets it's so easy to switch between apps that she could have (and may even have done) swapped to another app if the teacher came near (though this ‘independent learning’ lark makes it seem like the teachers there don't really engage the students..)
X-13 Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 That's why you should go to over 21 places.... Aww yiisssss. The problem is people lying about how old they are. I aint got the inclination to card people.
localzuk Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 This is a classic case of the school's policies failing miserably. Not just their lack of IT monitoring, but their overall safeguarding policies. Skype is blocked here - quite simply, there is no need to have it accessible in school - what advantage does it offer? Even if an iPad is issued to someone to take home, should the school not be exercising some control over it to ensure the device isn't being used for nefarious activities there too?
X-13 Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 Skype is blocked here - quite simply, there is no need to have it accessible in school - what advantage does it offer? I believe some schools use it to communicate with other schools in foreign countries.
Ephelyon Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 To be fair, this is precisely the kind of thing I was talking about when I posted that big long "legal obstacles to BYOD smartphone use" thread, though I wasn't talking about tablets at the time (not that it makes much different except they have bigger screens).
Arreks Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 That's why you should go to over 21 places.... Aww yiisssss. I'd have to lie about my age to get in, then I'd end up with @X-13 the next morning and cause the whole problem!
Garacesh Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 Even if an iPad is issued to someone to take home, should the school not be exercising some control over it to ensure the device isn't being used for nefarious activities there too? How can they? I and others have mentioned a proxy server, which really should have been set up (or configured to block these things, if it already was) but you can't really manage a device that so frequently goes off-domain can you? Not trying to argue. Legitimately asking. How would you do it?
X-13 Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 How can they? I and others have mentioned a proxy server, which really should have been set up (or configured to block these things, if it already was) but you can't really manage a device that so frequently goes off-domain can you? Not trying to argue. Legitimately asking. How would you do it? Only thing I can think of is Impero... But, I'm not sure how much it can do on iDevices.
hardtailstar Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 I feel sorry for the Headteacher, Whilst yes there is more the school could of done but this was initiated by the girl and she carried it on in school. IMO the mother is taking it out on the school probably because she feels guilty.
kennysarmy Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 I feel sorry for the Headteacher, Whilst yes there is more the school could of done but this was initiated by the girl and she carried it on in school. IMO the mother is taking it out on the school probably because she feels guilty. or she is just stupid....
HarryMonkey Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 I believe something like Airwatch (from what I've seen of it) would have provided just such as system of control as is required here.
sted Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 I believe some schools use it to communicate with other schools in foreign countries. yes ive had to unblock (or request it to be unblocked) in schools for just that reason and I have seen staff use it to contact each other while in school
localzuk Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 (edited) How can they? I and others have mentioned a proxy server, which really should have been set up (or configured to block these things, if it already was) but you can't really manage a device that so frequently goes off-domain can you? Not trying to argue. Legitimately asking. How would you do it? MDM to control app installation. Proxy (locked via MDM). That'd be a good start... I believe some schools use it to communicate with other schools in foreign countries. In which case, this needs to be controlled - allow access via a specific machine etc... Such events aren't "random" - kids aren't randomly calling each other at other schools, so things can be scheduled etc... Edited January 19, 2015 by localzuk
bossman Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 It is not just the DM who are reporting this but quite a few media sources, also although the initial contact was made out of school (Still a safeguarding issue, lack of education on behalf of the school) the young lady in question was still allowed to access the site and contact the person involved, it is obvious that the schools internet and safeguarding policies are either non existent or not workable, I like the way in which it now states the internet security which was supposed to stop events like this happening had not been updated (Pah! excuse) it seems they are looking to ether lay the blame on the IT personnel or the company that runs the systems, a get out of jail free card! Blame the IT systems and not the Teaching staff or Principals who run the school....................shifting sands!!!
Garacesh Posted January 19, 2015 Posted January 19, 2015 MDM to control app installation. Proxy (locked via MDM). That'd be a good start... This is a device that goes off-site and, for all intents and purposes, belongs to the student and is their own personal device. How do you expect locking in proxy settings or blocking apps would would whilst they're at home on their own WiFi?
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