The Windows 10 thread

[Gatt]

Has the preview been released yet?

 

I'd expect to see it around 3PM our time..

[Jamoire]

I would be up for any working group as well.

[JRowley]

I love the idea of being able to use the same app on a phone as on a PC. I don't love the way that Apple's success with their app store is pushing everyone towards the model of "get it from us or don't get it at all". I wouldn't at all be surprised if a few years later down that route some sort of subscription is needed just to access the store. (Hmmm... maybe I shouldn't say that - THEY might get ideas )

 

The subscription model wouldn't work as people would just revert to a regular online store to sell the app rather than the windows store.

 

Also if a developer wanted to target the mobile platform and desktop, you would write your app to perform well on the mobile platform, and the desktop app would just perform better by virtue of the hardware.

[LeMarchand]

The only thing about the concept that worries me is if developers will create lite versions of apps for phone/rt use, leaving you wondering where the features you wanted went, or whether the demands on phone processing will increase making windows phones sluggish trying to run desktop apps?

 

I don't have any complaints about the speed of my Acer W510 hybrid, so I don't think that it will be too much of a problem on new hardware. On the other hand, I don't try to run a video editing suite on it whilst I have 20 Word documents and 15 browser instances open! It might be difficult for MS to explain to people that their $100 Chinese WX tablet won't run Witcher III, though.

 

Or even - shock horror, developers will actually prevent their apps from getting lardy by careful coding!

 

[LeMarchand]

The subscription model wouldn't work as people would just revert to a regular online store to sell the app rather than the windows store.

 

Not if (and this is what I'm railing against) the Windows store is the ONLY place to buy apps from.

[tmcd35]

Not if (and this is what I'm railing against) the Windows store is the ONLY place to buy apps from.

 

That's nigh on impossible for MS to achieve on x86 without breaking backwards compatibility. Didn't they try this with RT (Arm based) and look were it got them. Even Apple haven't locked the Appstore down to being the only place to buy from on Macs and, in theory, it'd be easier for them to do.

[Quackers]

Thats if the Windows store even takes off, its just not the place to be at all. Was speaking to a friend at the weekend who worked up until a few weeks ago with a well known gaming company. They released the game on iOS App Store, Android Google Play store, and Windows Store for the Windows Phones. The iOS one was where they made almost all of their income, the Android one despite having the biggest user base had only small sales because it was being pirated and made up only 10% of the iOS sales, and the Windows store had single figure purchases. They are just going to drop the Windows one because its full of tumbleweeds....

[Wubbalubbadub]

 

Finally found out why they skipped Windows 9!

[JRowley]

Not if (and this is what I'm railing against) the Windows store is the ONLY place to buy apps from.

 

That is a ridiculous statement to make, they would never make such a decision just to force a subscription model, they would lose Billions in order to gain Millions. Microsoft are not that stupid.

[Wubbalubbadub]

That is a ridiculous statement to make, they would never make such a decision just to force a subscription model, they would lose Billions in order to gain Millions. Microsoft are not that stupid.

 

"Xbox One, use only once games" Just saying.

[tmcd35]

"Xbox One, use only once games" Just saying.

 

What???

[JRowley]

"Xbox One, use only once games" Just saying.

 

That's entirely different, for one it wasn't 'use only once games' you could still buy pre-owned games from people, but only once could a game be sold again, not only that but it was to solve the demands by publishers to stop the recycling of a single license over and over.

 

It has nothing to do with a completely locked down windows operating system for the sake of a subscription model to access the store, something even Apple haven't been stupid enough to enforce.

[LeMarchand]

That's nigh on impossible for MS to achieve on x86 without breaking backwards compatibility. Didn't they try this with RT (Arm based) and look were it got them.

 

I don't suppose that they could do anything about current software, but I can definitely see a point in the future where companies start insisting that all software for their OS is sold through their own store.

 

Even Apple haven't locked the Appstore down to being the only place to buy from on Macs and, in theory, it'd be easier for them to do.

 

Give it time... Some apps are definitely only available through the App Store (Plex, for instance). I assume this currently because it's easier than hosting the files on one's own site, but I can definitely see a time in the future where it's mandatory to sell only through the App Store. It'll be sugar-coated in ease of access and consumer safety, of course.

[sonofsanta]

Another good article with a few additional points (good old AnandTech): AnandTech | A New Windows - Windows 10 Announced By Microsoft

 

I like:

 

• Start Menu with Live Tiles, at bloody last. Think I saw the first article saying "here, MS, you should do it this way" about two or three years ago. Really like the resizing shown in that Vine as well, that's clever.
  
• That Continuum thing looks pretty smart as well - I'd buy a Surface Pro 3 now if I had the money, should be even better with that.
  
• Ctrl+V in command prompt! At bloomin' last.
  
• Proper high-DPI support.
  
• Multiple desktops. Why has this taken so long? I was using that in Linux at school in 2002...
  
• 4-Way Snap, because Aero Snap is still my most-loved feature in Win7
  
• Wot @Arthur said about rolling upgrades for Hyper-V Clusters. The things I get excited about get sadder with every year.
  

 

Not sure about:

• Search results from the web when searching the start menu, because ugh, Bing
  
• Windows Store used for Volume Licensing. On the one hand, there are parts of VLSC that still tell me I need to be in IE5 or higher. On the other hand, Windows Store is a consumer shop front, don't shoehorn enterprise into it.
  

 

In general, they're sticking to their pattern of "refining all the massive changes we made last time to actually be good". Think how much time and money they could save with some decent in-house user analytics on all these mad plans. It's also fulfilling the promises they ran out of time for with Windows 8 - the unified apps thing has been mentioned before now, and has always been the obvious move to help Windows Phone (build for WP, automatically available on Win8, so may as well build for WP and get two (angry) birds with one stone).

[MrFrostmaul]

I think it going to be interesting how they get Windows 10 to work with Networks such as Group Policy control for the new features (such as tiles on the start menu) and other features for networks.

[sted]

well downloaded and installed on a vm so far seems ok though had to disable ie protected mpde or twitter etc just dont work right same as win 8.1

[tmcd35]

I don't suppose that they could do anything about current software, but I can definitely see a point in the future where companies start insisting that all software for their OS is sold through their own store.

 

For both Windows and Mac: If you enforce code only runs if signed by the online app store then legacy programs cannot run and you will have a hell of a lot of unhappy customer - Linux wins. If you allow legacy apps then there is no way to enforce the use of the appstore because publisher can ignore it and provide apps to customers the old fashioned way.

 

IOS works because it is a totally enclosed environment and has been that way from the beginning. Even Google struggles to enforce their appstore only on Android.

[jamesbmarshall]

I know it's come up a couple of times earlier in this thread, but regarding the commercials... this is just a technical preview. The mechanics of how you buy it, upgrade to it, which versions (Pro, Enterprise, etc.) and all of that stuff will follow in time.

 

For now I'm just very excited to be running it and talking to people about it!

[sted]

now installing server10 in a vm as well see what extra carp is in there to manage win10

[tmcd35]

I seem to be falling at the first hurdle. Can't seem to download it. Or if it is downloading the cruddy download manager I was forced to install doesn't appear to be telling me anything. I NEED A PROGRESS BAR!!!

 

For those who have successfully got it, did you download the Enterprise version or the standard home preview? And how long did the download take/speed of connection? Thanks.

[synaesthesia]

Seems to be ticking along quite nicely. I don't mind the new start menu; feels not too different to Start8 with 8.1, but we're already thinking up ideas of how this could be useful (assuming it's damn slight easier to manage than the rubbish XML system they have in place for TIFKAM). Quite smooth as well despite not giving it much resource in the VM. I still dislike the "flat" icons, they look outdated and crap.

[sted]

I seem to be falling at the first hurdle. Can't seem to download it. Or if it is downloading the cruddy download manager I was forced to install doesn't appear to be telling me anything. I NEED A PROGRESS BAR!!!

 

For those who have successfully got it, did you download the Enterprise version or the standard home preview? And how long did the download take/speed of connection? Thanks.

 

standard consumer one but it supports domain join it also says nothing about witch sku it is so id guess at this stage there is no enterprise version and would be wrong lol

[tmcd35]

standard consumer one but it supports domain join it also says nothing about witch sku it is so id guess at this stage there is no enterprise version

 

Interesting, I might try the standard consumer one then! There is an Enterprise version, link is hidden on the Insider Program front page. It's the version I'm trying to get. I think it is downloading, just can't see any visible clues other than the download manager is taking up CPU cycles according to Task Manager.

 

Does the standard version download using the Akamai NetSession Client?

[sted]

Interesting, I might try the standard consumer one then! There is an Enterprise version, link is hidden on the Insider Program front page. It's the version I'm trying to get. I think it is downloading, just can't see any visible clues other than the download manager is taking up CPU cycles according to Task Manager.

 

Does the standard version download using the Akamai NetSession Client?

 

you don't have to use download manager im not its currently downloading from msdn at approx. 1mb/s

[hardtailstar]

I downloaded the upgrade, used a spare laptop at home that had Win 7 and it took about 5 hours to install properly, Im sure if I used the iso it would have been quicker but didnt have any disks at home.