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Gatt

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There were several times during the upgrade where I thought it had stalled - no movement for 15-20 mins at times then one of the progress counters would increase a few %'s
sted

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Hah too true. Though you get a nice new screen to stare at while you wait :)

 

and now its installed its having a rel problem using the enhanced session ive had to hard turn off the vm and reboot it once already

 

and cortana just says try again later or no inetnet but that might be firewall here

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Gatt

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Not that I'm ever really likely to use it, but isn't Cortana supposed to be working for the UK now in this build?

When I try it says its not available in my market...

sted

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Not that I'm ever really likely to use it, but isn't Cortana supposed to be working for the UK now in this build?

When I try it says its not available in my market...

 

it "working" it just cant find the internet so i suspect its filtering and as i dont know where its going and im not sure id i want kids to sue it when i go to windows 10 im lothe to unblock it ill just try it at home later

 

it also had trouble downloading the update to current build and wont install office 16 saying internets down as well

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JRowley

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Not that I'm ever really likely to use it, but isn't Cortana supposed to be working for the UK now in this build?

When I try it says its not available in my market...

 

Yeah they said it would be available in the UK, when exactly I'm not sure, perhaps with the slow release? Though I haven't tried it, it may be working at home.

JRowley

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We all are arn't we? Windows 10 will be a free upgrade for Windows 7 and Windows 8 users | PCWorld

Well as an upgrade from 7 abnd 8 for home users.

Not sure how it's going to work for commercial and volume license schemes though yet.

 

Everyone running Windows 7/8/8.1 regardless of the legitimacy of their license can upgrade to 10 for free (for the first year!), it applies to every country.

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Gatt

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@Dos_Box makes a good point regarding VL users and also anyone on an Enterprise SKU

IIRC, there was a similar issue with miving from Win8 to Win8.1 in taht Enterprise users couldn't see Win8.1 in the Store.

zag

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I don't see why they restrict XP upgrades, surely thats the real operating system they want to get people off.
Garacesh

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Everyone running Windows 7/8/8.1 regardless of the legitimacy of their license can upgrade to 10 for free (for the first year!), it applies to every country.

Do you have a source on 'regardless of the legitimacy'? I would have expected you would have to provide your license key?

 

I don't see why they restrict XP upgrades, surely thats the real operating system they want to get people off.

I, too, thought the same. People using XP need shifting off it, saying "We're not supporting this anymore!" didn't help move them, and Microsoft are going to get bad press* because of it no longer working. I would've thought they'd be desperate to shift people off XP.

 

* Regardless that anybody in-the-know about technology would ignore the whining of an end-user who is on XP, talk between end-users does not suffer the same scrutiny, and thus the bad press.

JRowley

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Do you have a source on 'regardless of the legitimacy'? I would have expected you would have to provide your license key?

 

 

I, too, thought the same. People using XP need shifting off it, saying "We're not supporting this anymore!" didn't help move them, and Microsoft are going to get bad press* because of it no longer working. I would've thought they'd be desperate to shift people off XP.

 

* Regardless that anybody in-the-know about technology would ignore the whining of an end-user who is on XP, talk between end-users does not suffer the same scrutiny, and thus the bad press.

 

Microsoft Tackles China Piracy With Free Upgrade to Windows 10 | Re/code

 

Windows 10 Upgrades Will Be Free—Even For Pirated Copies

 

Windows 10 will be free for software pirates | The Verge

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LeMarchand

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I don't see why they restrict XP upgrades, surely thats the real operating system they want to get people off.

 

I suspect that most people on XP will also have older equipment that doesn't have driver support and they want to avoid all the "I installed Windows 10 and now my computer is dead" complaints.

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The OS will be free to install for yourself (home user), but OEM's will still have to pay to preload the OS on the machine. So MS will continue to make a large revenue just on PC sales. Enterprise will still have to buy licenses obviously. Most home users who install their own OS would pirate windows anyway so why not make it free but keep the OEM's paying. The more users using windows then more it has a grip hold on the market and more potential customers for the business sector and even sell subscription models (O365) to home users.
Arthur

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Do you have a source on 'regardless of the legitimacy'?

You might want to have a read of this...

 

The Windows 10 free upgrade for pirates: More confusing than it seems

 

Early yesterday morning, Microsoft's Terry Myerson surprised everyone—including, I think, Microsoft PR—by announcing that everyone would get a free upgrade to Windows 10, even users with pirated/non-genuine licenses. There was then a fairly long pause while Microsoft PR prepared a response.

 

First, a Microsoft spokesperson confirmed with ZDNet that, "the plan to allow free upgrades for non-genuine copies of Windows applies to all markets" worldwide, not just China. Then, early this morning—more than 24 hours after the original Reuters story went live—Microsoft PR sent out another statement. Here it is in full:

 

The consumer free upgrade offer for Windows 10 applies to qualified new and existing devices running Windows 7, Windows 8.1, and Windows Phone 8.1. Some editions are excluded from the consumer free upgrade—including Windows 7 Enterprise, Windows 8/8.1 Enterprise, and Windows RT/RT 8.1. Active Software Assurance customers in volume licensing have the benefit to upgrade to other Windows 10 enterprise offerings.

 

We have always been committed to ensuring that customers have the best Windows experience possible. With Windows 10, although non-Genuine PCs may be able to upgrade to Windows 10, the upgrade will not change the genuine state of the license. Non-Genuine Windows is not published by Microsoft. It is not properly licensed, or supported by Microsoft or a trusted partner. If a device was considered non-genuine or mislicensed prior to the upgrade, that device will continue to be considered non-genuine or mislicensed after the upgrade. According to industry experts, use of pirated software, including Non-Genuine Windows, results in a higher risk of malware, fraud (identity theft, credit card theft, etc), public exposure of your personal information, and a higher risk for poor performance or feature malfunctions.

 

That statement had one very confusing sentence: "If a device was considered non-genuine or mislicensed prior to the upgrade, that device will continue to be considered non-genuine or mislicensed after the upgrade." We reached out to Microsoft for clarification, to find out what it actually means to have a non-genuine copy of Windows 10. "We don’t have anything further to share outside of the statement at the moment."

 

Where does that leave us? Clearly, if you're running a pirated version of Windows 7 or 8.1, you will get a free upgrade to Windows 10—but it will still be considered "non-genuine or mislicensed." Does this mean that you'll get a nag screen every time you boot up? Does it mean that you can only use your PC for a few weeks before it locks you out and forces you to buy a license?

 

Perhaps more worryingly, will non-genuine Windows 10 users be allowed on the "Windows as a Service" regular update train? The whole point of giving away free Windows 10 upgrades is that Microsoft needs to get everyone onto a single, regularly updated platform. Giving pirates a free upgrade to Windows 10, but then locking them out of the update process, would be a very puzzling move. Microsoft has withheld updates from non-genuine users in the past, though, so there is some precedent.

 

One possible reason for Microsoft's murky messaging is corporate licensing. For a home user, no one will ever know that you don't have a genuine copy of Windows 10—but if you're a company or institution and you get audited or raided, then a bunch of non-genuine licenses could be a problem. If you're a small or medium business with PCs running Windows 7 or 8.1 Pro, then maybe Microsoft wants to ensure that you stay genuine.

 

Still, until we get more clarification from Microsoft, we should remain cautious about the promise of a free upgrade to Windows 10 and an armistice for pirates. We would hope that non-genuine copies of Windows 10 still receive updates and security patches, but it's dangerous to make that assumption.

Gatt

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No upgrade from Windows RT? Even though they are supporting ARM? What?

 

They did state a while ago that Windows RT was basically dead...

JRowley

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They did state a while ago that Windows RT was basically dead...

 

Yeah I just don't understand why that is the case if the device will support it, I'm gunna have to go rouge to get it on it now -.-.

flyinghaggis

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This is really daft though, if they are killing off Windows RT then offering a free upgrade (or even a paid one) to Windows 10 would have been the perfect solution.

 

I get the impression Windows RT was nothing more than MS hedging their bets in case Intel couldn't deliver a low power x86 solution to compete with ARM. Now that Intel have a pretty decent selection of ultra low voltages fanless CPU's out there isn't much need for Windows RT anymore as far as I can see. MS would probably kill off support for it tomorrow if they could but I guess they don't want to be seen to be too quick to entirely drop an OS they've released relatively recently.

 

I'd take the lack of an upgrade path for Windows RT as meaning they aren't planning on continuing ARM support for desktops, laptops and tablets?

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