Arthur Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 it's a great way of getting those adoption figures up fast and hitting a critical mass for developers - something that always crippled Win8. It will be interesting to see the adoption figures for Windows 10 after a year. There are still a huge number of people stuck on Windows 8.0, despite 8.1 being available for over a year. You can offer people Windows 10 for free, but you can't make them take it « Ars Technica In short, even when you offer free upgrades, people don't always take advantage of them. This happens for a whole bunch of different reasons—insufficient hardware, technical problems, personal preference, compatibility with apps and peripherals, lack of awareness that an upgrade is available, discomfort with performing a major operating system upgrade, and the good old "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality. Microsoft is removing one barrier: cost. The other barriers remain. No more Internet Explorer either IE will still be included for those that want it. Windows 10 (at least the desktop version) will ship with both Spartan and IE 11, my sources say. IE 11 will be there for backward-compatibility's sake. Spartan will be available for both desktop and mobile (phone/tablet) versions of Windows 10, sources say. (Source) Since Spartan doesn't support ActiveX plugins, I reckon a lot of schools and businesses will have to keep IE installed, especially since Google are permanently removing NPAPI support from Chrome in September (meaning things like Java will stop working in that browser).
localzuk Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Have we had much info on the server side stuff yet? They mentioned making deployment easier in windows 10 last night, but never went into it in any detail. That's about the only bit I'm really looking forward to...the next SCCM! So far, I've seen: OneGet - package management via PowerShell. Windows Defender - built in, even on server, to provide basic anti-malware. Controllable via powershell too. Hyper-V - ability to do a rolling cluster upgrade from Windows Server 2012 R2 to Windows Server latest, without having to take down the cluster etc... Also, memory and network adapters are now hot-swap in guest VMs - so you can change them without turning off a VM Storage - Storage QoS for virtual disks. Block level disk replication - for easy multi-site failover clustering! User rights - more fine control over permissions given to accounts. Eg. Instead of giving Admin rights, you give the specific admin type rights instead. DNS - more control over DNS. Time based DNS policies etc...
Quackers Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 So, who plans on shifting to it? I don't anticipate us to do anything having only just moved to 8.1 at the start of the school year. Will stick with deploying Windows 7 on the 5 sites we support who run Windows for at least the first year while testing Windows 10 then deploy it where there is interest. The Server version i might move a big quicker (is it released at the same time?), especially once SIMS Support it as i have 6 SIMS Server running Windows Server 2012 and i scream every time i have to go near that horrid Metro.
Arthur Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 So far, I've seen There's a huge number of new features in Windows Server 2016... www.aidanfinn.com/?p=17424 is it released at the same time? Almost certainly.
Arthur Posted January 22, 2015 Posted January 22, 2015 Not surprising. Windows RT will not get Windows 10 update Microsoft has confirmed today that Windows RT will not be upgraded to Windows 10. The official statement from the company is that Surface Pro will be updated to Windows 10, and “we are working on an update for Surface (RT and Surface 2), which will have some of the functionality of Windows 10.” For anyone who purchased either the Surface RT, or the Surface 2, this is a fairly poor message, especially considering the Surface 2 was still for sale not very long ago. Windows RT was certainly a marketing failure, and arrived at the wrong time and for the wrong reasons. The initial hardware, such as the Tegra 3 powered Surface RT, was fairly underpowered, and sales were poor causing Microsoft to write down $900 million in inventory. The next generation Surface 2 was a much better performing device, but with the ARM CPU inside it was not able to run any of the traditional Windows applications. By the time Surface 2 came to market, Intel had low power Bay Trail CPUs which were competitive on power usage, and offered good performance, plus offered backwards compatibility with all of the Win32 desktop applications, leaving Microsoft as the only vendor selling Windows RT devices.
timbo343 Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 Here is the live recording if anyone missed it... oh, its 3hrs long
Arthur Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 Event highlights video for those with a short attention span. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQXE4_CB3ts
Garacesh Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 Is the Tech Preview ISO no longer available? The latest build seems to have borked half the programs, so I wanted to revert to the base image, upgrade to the latest build and then install programs, check they still work.. Windows Insider simply says "Coming Soon" now instead of hosting anything..? And I didn't keep a copy of the original ISO. Bad techie
JRowley Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 Is the Tech Preview ISO no longer available? The latest build seems to have borked half the programs, so I wanted to revert to the base image, upgrade to the latest build and then install programs, check they still work.. Windows Insider simply says "Coming Soon" now instead of hosting anything..? And I didn't keep a copy of the original ISO. Bad techie The direct links to the ISOs are still working, so you can use the links in the sticky - http://www.edugeek.net/forums/windows-10/143137-windows-10-technical-preview-compiled-links.html 1
somabc Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 Will the old Technical Preview update to the new Consumer Preview?
JRowley Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 Will the old Technical Preview update to the new Consumer Preview? I don't believe they have announced anything regarding that yet, I would expected it will but it will be similar to the other builds where it performs a windows upgrade as if it were a different OS, so it does a complete reinstall. Have no idea if it will retain user settings/configuration though.
Garacesh Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 Good question, @somabc, but I doubt it. I reckon it'll be a wipe-and-start-again job
Arthur Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 Will the old Technical Preview update to the new Consumer Preview? I think it will. I'll see if I can find the link.
Arthur Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 http://www.neowin.net/news/to-upgrade-to-the-next-windows-10-build-make-sure-you-have-kb-3025380-installed
DrCheese Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 Tis out Download: Windows 10 build January Technical Preview - Neowin 2
Gatt Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 Well I've got it installed in a VM, but no Cortana and no sign of the new spartan browser....
sted Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 Well I've got it installed in a VM, but no Cortana and no sign of the new spartan browser.... cortana is yank english only like phones pre 8.1.1
Gatt Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 Grrr... Not overly bothered about the lack of Cortana - thinking Clippy with a voice... But wanted to play with the new Spartan browser
ellsandell Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 Grrr... Not overly bothered about the lack of Cortana - thinking Clippy with a voice... But wanted to play with the new Spartan browser Coming in the near future, if I remember correctly it will be delivered through the store. Cortana only works on the English-us version I think.
Arthur Posted January 23, 2015 Posted January 23, 2015 Make sure you visit WU after installing the latest Preview. Microsoft releases first update for the January Technical Preview of Windows 10 Here's the full list of improvements and fixes: Reliability improvements to prevent some system crashes in explorer.exe Fixes an issue that could cause a deleted app to be unintentionally reinstalled Increased power efficiency to extend battery life Reliability improvements for virtual machine live migrations Performance improvements for Internet Explorer Fixes an issue that could cause pending Windows Updates to be incorrectly reported in the update history Fixes an issue that could cause the Start Menu to be improperly registered and fail to launch Fixes an issue that could cause random pixelation on the screen when using Remote Desktop Client 1
synaesthesia Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 I want to install this on my home PC but I can't stand the icons. It's gone all iPhoney.
Jamoire Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 (edited) Have been running it on a desktop since the first build and loved it. Decided to hold off on trying in on a tablet until the continuum stuff was added and now it is have installed on my Dell Venue 8 Pro and it seems a complete backward step on a tablet compared to 8.1. No metro IE, I know Spartan will replace it as the browser eventually but I really miss the swipe to go back and the page zooming out to fit when in portrait. Add to that my link to IE on the start menu doesnt work, I need to load it via Search. Seems to be a bug that a few people have reported. Tablet mode disables the desktop, so everything gets greyed out and you cant load anything you have on there, which is going to confuse people if it behaves like that in final release. Open App icons disappear from the taskbar as well in tablet mode for some reason and you need to press the 'Task View' button to see whats running. Swipe from the left opens task view rather than the previous app which means you can no longer quickly cycle through apps using just your thumb when holding it in my left hand, would be better if they left it how it was was with say a swipe and hold bringing up the menu. Swipe from right loads up Notification's rather than charms which I can live with, especially with the quick access settings being there. In tablet mode you swipe down from the top of the screen to get Charms, Minimise, Windowed or Close buttons which would be fine but the none of those but Close actually seem to do anything for me 9 times out of 10. May just be me/my tablet though? More than a few times I accidentally snapped the app rather than getting the menu to appear. I do like that when a traditional program is full screen you can close it by dragging down the same way as you modern apps. Seems a hassle to load an app that isnt pinned to the start screen. Have to press Start > a tiny 'All Apps' option right at the bottom > Scroll through a long vertical list. The swipe up and the horizontal list in 8.1 worked much better on a tablet. Probably things I will get used to and a lot things will still get changed or tweaked before release its just seems a bit awkward compared to 8.1 for me at the moment. Edited January 24, 2015 by Jamoire
Gatt Posted January 24, 2015 Posted January 24, 2015 Tablet mode disables the desktop, so everything gets greyed out and you cant load anything you have on there, which is going to confuse people if it behaves like that in final release This isn't quite true, Joe Belfiore showed a demo of an 8 inch tablet running Desktop Mode (see from 28 mins..)
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