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Arthur

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I'd take the lack of an upgrade path for Windows RT as meaning they aren't planning on continuing ARM support for desktops, laptops and tablets?

Windows 10 will still run on ARM devices, just not large tablets like the Surface 2.

 

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/03/windows-10-phones-to-get-bigger-smaller-faster-and-maybe-even-x86ier

 

... there will be two main Windows variants: one "Mobile," for phones and tablets with sub-8-inch screens, bottoming out at 3 inches, and one "desktop," for devices with screens of 7 inches or more (and yes, this means that between 7 and 8 inches, OEMs will be able to pick either operating system).

 

The "Mobile" family will be the successor to the Windows Phone we have today: no desktop, no traditional Win32 applications, fully locked down and sandboxed, and running on system-on-chip platforms. Microsoft seems unsure of exactly what this desktopless versions is called; sometimes it's Windows "Mobile" with the quote marks, other times it's just Windows Mobile in a terrifying resurrection of a widely maligned and near-universally unpopular branding. Until it's clear, we're going to stick with the former, because the alternative is unpalatable.

 

MS would probably kill off support for it tomorrow if they could but I guess they don't want to be seen to be too quick to entirely drop an OS they've released relatively recently.

I don't see any problem with Microsoft not providing an upgrade path to Windows 10 for RT devices since they are supporting them for longer than Apple and Google do with iOS and Android.

 

Microsoft promises to support Surface RT for 4+ years

 

Microsoft will support its Surface RT tablet with updates, including security patches, until April 2017, or nearly four-and-a-half years after its launch.

 

The support lifecycle for the Surface with Windows RT tablet is less than half the usual 10 years Microsoft allots its software products -- including Windows 8 -- but is considerably longer than what Apple has given the first-generation iPad, which has already dropped off the Cupertino, Calif. company's list.

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flyinghaggis

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I don't see any problem with Microsoft not providing an upgrade path to Windows 10 for RT devices since they are supporting them for longer than Apple and Google do with iOS and Android.

 

 

The original surface, released in 2012, fair enough but MS refreshed it in Oct 2013 and now they're effectively dropping support for the surface 2 less than 18 months later. Offering 'Extended support' for 4 years is cold comfort if you can't actually upgrade the device to the latest version of Microsoft's OS in what could be as little as several months after buying it. Public experiments like that are the kind of thing that loses them customers. Apple wouldn't get away with not offering an IOS/OSX upgrade for an 18 month old ipad/iPhone or Mac and neither should anyone else.

 

Sorry, minor rant there but the whole Windows RT debacle and Microsoft's handling of it makes me worry about how Windows 10 will turn out. Especially given their recent form with Windows 8 and Windows phone/mobile releases. Hopefully MS can put out something a bit more coherent with Windows 10 and Windows 10 Mobile.

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DrCheese

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I'd take the lack of an upgrade path for Windows RT as meaning they aren't planning on continuing ARM support for desktops, laptops and tablets?

Bizzarely they are, the rasp pi will run Windows 10

Public experiments like that are the kind of thing that loses them customers.

I kinda agree - The whole Windows phone 7 thing was a bit of a joke, changing the entire OS 12 months later & starting from scratch (again) But at the same time if something isn't working they have a duty as a company with shareholders to drop it & find something that does work.

Norphy

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Windows Phone 7 wasn't built from scratch; it was built on top of Windows CE, just like previous versions of Windows Mobile were. Microsoft had to change it because CE didn't support multiple CPUs, high screen resolutions or large memory sizes. It's not as if the work that went into its UI was wasted either, it went on into full fat Windows and newer versions of Windows Phone.

 

However, I do take your point. It does seem like a bit of a waste of time not to just put that work straight into an NT version of Windows Phone. It could just be that hardware at the time couldn't have coped with it I guess.

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The original surface, released in 2012, fair enough but MS refreshed it in Oct 2013 and now they're effectively dropping support for the surface 2 less than 18 months later. Offering 'Extended support' for 4 years is cold comfort if you can't actually upgrade the device to the latest version of Microsoft's OS in what could be as little as several months after buying it. Public experiments like that are the kind of thing that loses them customers. Apple wouldn't get away with not offering an IOS/OSX upgrade for an 18 month old ipad/iPhone or Mac and neither should anyone else.

 

Its not like we didn't predict it though. There was a thread about the surface RT firesale where some guy was buying 120 of them because they were cheap. Many people warned not to buy them at the time as it was pretty obvious the machine was selling poorly and wouldn't be a success.

DrCheese

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Windows Phone 7 wasn't built from scratch; it was built on top of Windows CE, just like previous versions of Windows Mobile were. Microsoft had to change it because CE didn't support multiple CPUs, high screen resolutions or large memory sizes. It's not as if the work that went into its UI was wasted either, it went on into full fat Windows and newer versions of Windows Phone.

 

However, I do take your point. It does seem like a bit of a waste of time not to just put that work straight into an NT version of Windows Phone. It could just be that hardware at the time couldn't have coped with it I guess.

 

Well.. It was a silly move because they encouraged developers to make apps for it & users to buy these apps, only to throw it under a bus 12 months later. It's no wonder WP8 + is struggling in the market as they lost the confidence of it.

LosOjos

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I haven't looked at Windows 10 in a while, is it stable enough to use as a day to day OS now? Have a new laptop on the way and was thinking of shoving 10 on to it...

 

Also, anyone know if these previews will upgrade to release or will a fresh install be necessary (as it was with 7 and 8)?

zag

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I haven't looked at Windows 10 in a while, is it stable enough to use as a day to day OS now? Have a new laptop on the way and was thinking of shoving 10 on to it...

 

Also, anyone know if these previews will upgrade to release or will a fresh install be necessary (as it was with 7 and 8)?

 

Yes running it as my main machine at home, working nicely but still a lot of annoying little things that are inconvenient. Latest one is Google chrome is slightly misaligned. Changes in every build though.

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sted

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now ive excluded my laptop from filtering cortanna works fine if a bit slow. Does say sorry i cant do this if you ask it the weather but by the time shes finished speaking its on screen. Also got office 16 installed
Arthur

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Build 10049 now includes Spartan.

 

www.neowin.net/news/download-windows-10-build-10049-spartan-has-arrived

 

Microsoft has released another Windows 10 build for the Windows Insider program and in this release Spartan has finally arrived. The build number for this release is 10049 and Microsoft says that besides Spartan, nothing else is new.

 

To upgrade to the new build, follow the steps below in your current install of Windows 10 to grab the bits.

 

  • Click on the start menu and in the search box type 'Windows Update'
  • Chose 'Windows Update Settings'
  • In the left panel click 'Preview Builds'
  • Click on the 'Check' now.
  • Download the new build

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Arthur

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Hands on with Project Spartan, Microsoft’s Internet Explorer replacement

 

For all the things Windows 10 is supposed to do better than Windows 8, one of its most anticipated features is Project Spartan, Microsoft’s soon-to-be replacement for the much maligned Internet Explorer.

 

Though beta versions of Windows 10 have been available for a while, it wasn’t until today’s release that we’ve been able to get our hands on the browser. Keep in mind this is the first public build of Spartan, and as such there are several bugs, and performance likely doesn’t reflect the final product.

 

Still, there are already some nifty features to look at. Let’s dive in.

Garacesh

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Does the upgrade take so long for everyone else? Been sat on 'Getting Ready' for at least an hour and a half now..

 

Edit: Three hours. Pretty sure my VM is going nowhere.. But the spinny dots animation is still spinning.

Edit 2: Three and a half hours later it progresses to "Setting up a few more things"..

 

Edit 3: And now it says I'm on Build 9879, with no build update available? O.o With no Spartan.

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jonnykewell1

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Does the upgrade take so long for everyone else? Been sat on 'Getting Ready' for at least an hour and a half now..

 

Edit: Three hours. Pretty sure my VM is going nowhere.. But the spinny dots animation is still spinning.

Edit 2: Three and a half hours later it progresses to "Setting up a few more things"..

 

Edit 3: And now it says I'm on Build 9879, with no build update available? O.o With no Spartan.

 

In windows updates have you gone into advanced options and changed the update to fast? I think this enables you to get builds sooner. Has anyone got the Cortana integration button in Spartan? It's not there for me.

zag

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Sparten seems nice, quite quick.

 

Really not sure about their GUI though. Those grays are so distracting.

Garacesh

Garacesh

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In windows updates have you gone into advanced options and changed the update to fast?

Yes, done that.

 

Just booted up the VM and it bluescreened on me O.o Waaaat.

JRowley

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Yes, done that.

 

Just booted up the VM and it bluescreened on me O.o Waaaat.

 

Sounds like the update failed and it rolled back, but then corrupted in the process. I would rebuild it from scratch.

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