gibbo_ap Posted September 13, 2010 Posted September 13, 2010 on my way out of the door today the head asked me to come to his office...... .... to tell me im very valued and highly thought of and he doesnt want me to leave. the back story: i didnt get the job id been doing for the last year and i have let it be know that i maybe starting to look for other jobs, as i dont have many prospects here now. only raise in pay will be yearly increments. gotta play the game now to see if i can get more money! all in all a very happy bunny!
Hightower Posted September 13, 2010 Posted September 13, 2010 Yeah - that'd make me stick around..... not! I'd be fuming if my head said "you are valuable and we don't want you to leave. money? extra? don't think so mate" Sounds like salt in the wound to me, a bit like "you are valuable to us, but not enough to earn more". I'd still be looking elsewhere
featured_spectre Posted September 13, 2010 Posted September 13, 2010 I'm with hightower, the comment, whilst sounds good, is just a sweetener to try and make you stay a little while longer, and will keep happening as long as you let it.
Little-Miss Posted September 13, 2010 Posted September 13, 2010 lol! Hightower holds the pin as gibbo_ap's happy bubble goes *pop*! I can see where you are coming from hightower but i think he was glowing from that feeling of being apreciated that not a lot of us get!!
broc Posted September 13, 2010 Posted September 13, 2010 Words are always cheaper than a pay-rise or regrading. See if you can find out how 'valued' you are compared to your peers in schools near you; if you are less valued, you might want to point it out to your HT. 1
Hightower Posted September 13, 2010 Posted September 13, 2010 but i think he was glowing from that feeling of being apreciated that not a lot of us get!! But how appreciated is he/she exactly? As Broc says - words are cheap. "I love you little-miss", easy as pie but doesn't mean jack all to you now does it?
EdWhittaker Posted September 13, 2010 Posted September 13, 2010 Sounds like 'Jam tomorrow' to me. I'm a teacher but I've been on the receiving end of similar flannel from a head teacher. I've never yet met a head teacher who didn't have some fundamental character flaw; they're all full of BS. 2
Little-Miss Posted September 13, 2010 Posted September 13, 2010 pfft... Ok, ok....just felt the rug was pulled from under him rather quick tis all....
witch Posted September 13, 2010 Posted September 13, 2010 Why didnt you get the job you've been doing for a year? That might shed light on why the head felt it necessary to say what he did (for example, if he wanted to employ the op but was overruled?)
CyberNerd Posted September 13, 2010 Posted September 13, 2010 Words are always cheaper than a pay-rise or regrading. See if you can find out how 'valued' you are compared to your peers in schools near you; if you are less valued, you might want to point it out to your HT. or an employment tribunal. lol
strawberry Posted September 13, 2010 Posted September 13, 2010 But how appreciated is he/she exactly? As Broc says - words are cheap. "I love you little-miss", easy as pie but doesn't mean jack all to you now does it? hedgehog of doom for you!
GrumbleDook Posted September 13, 2010 Posted September 13, 2010 But how appreciated is he/she exactly? As Broc says - words are cheap. "I love you little-miss", easy as pie but doesn't mean jack all to you now does it? But *everyone* loves little-miss ... As much as not getting the job sucks and wanting to do more with the skills, etc you have got is good ... there is nothing wrong with a boss saying "I think you are good and I respect your skills" ... as long as they mean it. If you go to them and say "x, y and z need to be done" and they believe you and follow your advice .. then yes, those words do mean a lot. If they are simple platitudes then take them for what they are ... a comment you can take or leave. Don't get wound up about it or anything ... just be glad you got something and that you are not in the position which a number of regulars have been in, where they can hardly have a civil word with the Head. Make the most of what you have got. 3
bio Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 Looks like your head followed a people management course........ bio..
witch Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 Looks like your head followed a people management course........ bio.. ..or Grumbledook did
Hightower Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 Ok, ok....just felt the rug was pulled from under him rather quick tis all.... Fair point. I wasn't trying to put a dampner on the 'good news' the OP had received. Just trying to explain that if it was me I'd still be pretty miffed, probably more miffed than before. But yes, I did pull the rug rather quickly.
AngryTechnician Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 The way I see it, this puts you in a pretty comfortable position with regards to job hunting. If the school does value you (even if not enough to pay you more) then your position should be pretty safe and you can take your time to find/wait for a job that really suits you. At the same time, you've been upfront about looking so no-one can throw a wobbly when the time does come (which my former head did because I hadn't told him I was looking).
ICT_GUY Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 Words cost nothing and are worth less than that. Money is the way an employers shows how you are valued.
Little-Miss Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 But *everyone* loves little-miss ... Words cost nothing and are worth less than that. Money is the way an employers shows how you are valued. Even in schools?! I'd much rather have a great job that is ok payed then a crappy, stressful job that is well payed! Don't get me wrong....i like money as much as the next person! lol 3
Hightower Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 I'd much rather have a great job that is ok payed then a crappy, stressful job that is well payed! Don't get me wrong....i like money as much as the next person! lol I'd take the money all day. I don't work in a school for the kids, but because I work in a school I'm here for the kids. If someone came along and said we'll double your salary, I'd ditch the kids in a flash. I'll only be loyal to the school for as long as they are loyal to me.
bossman Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 We all go to work for the money of which no one here will deny, if you are getting paid below the going rate for the job and you feel uninspired then you have to leave but if you are happy in your place of work and valued then I feel that is a different story, as personal wellbeing means much more than just money in my opinion. If I had my way we would all be paid on the same scale as the teachers but were not and that is always going to be the case as we are only classed as support staff in education. If you want more money then move into a different job perhaps working in a factory watching glass vials going past for up to 12 hours a day at £15 - £20ph, I think most of us would be bored rigid by this I know I was 10 years ago. Grass is never greener it just looks that way. 2
Hightower Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 Grass is never greener it just looks that way. Grass is quite frequently greener otherwise we'd all never move on
jamesb Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 We all go to work for the money of which no one here will deny, if you are getting paid below the going rate for the job and you feel uninspired then you have to leave but if you are happy in your place of work and valued then I feel that is a different story, as personal wellbeing means much more than just money in my opinion. Apparently there is a point at which more money is pretty much meaningless. Some recent study placed this point at about £50 000. Above that, added money doesn't make you any happier. The theory goes that there is only so much you need to ensure all base needs are met, after that money really is just a way of keeping score. Obviously this varies from person to person, some are at their optimum happiness level on a lot less, some on more, but £50 000 is the average point. To put it in perspective, that's about £24/hour. Grass is never greener it just looks that way. Grass can most certainly be greener, and there's always the option of ignoring that boring grass and instead looking at the flowers, or the orchard, or something else. Even if the grass isn't greener there are people who prefer savannah to a perfect English lawn.
bossman Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 If one is happy with ones lot in life then all is greener this side of the fence but I do understand that young people need to move on occasionally as they get bogged down with the lifestyle and money aspect of life instead of life itself. I do think that young people today are manipulated by the media and the social aspects of life i.e. glamour and glitz rather than the realities of life and how much more one can get out of life without the trappings of money, I agree money makes the world go round but I feel there is far more out there in the world than just monetary gain. Be happy people don't worry
36Degrees Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 I've never yet met a head teacher who didn't have some fundamental character flaw; they're all full of BS. LOL "I can tell you're lying - your lips are moving" 1
somabc Posted September 14, 2010 Posted September 14, 2010 Apparently there is a point at which more money is pretty much meaningless. Some recent study placed this point at about £50 000. Above that, added money doesn't make you any happier. The theory goes that there is only so much you need to ensure all base needs are met, after that money really is just a way of keeping score. Yep take a look at Maslow's hierarchy of needs The top half does not depend on money at all.
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