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[cookie_monster]

RE: Anti-Scotland posts: I think this is a bit of a joke, now you all want us out! We have our own goverment yes but its not like it has huge power and its not like westminster doesnt still interfere. Look at the changes proposed by SNP for scrapping council tax, westminster said no and blocked it. Thats when we need our damn vote so we cant be walked over and thought of as cast offs. Ohh in so many ways I wish Scotland has develoved years ago as per How black gold was hijacked: North sea oil and the betrayal of Scotland - This Britain, UK - The Independent as we would have done better then!

I think Scotland should have told the UK go away back then but its not like we knew what we had!

 

As for prescriptions and uni fee's etc, stump up your own cash for it. We have it BETTER up here, get used to that as you have the power to change it for your OWN area, jelousy is a bad thing.

 

 

I’ve heard this so many time and although I do sympathise that more of the money didn’t go directly to Scotland in a way this is simply not how a country works. This would be like the oil producing states of the 70’s separating from the U.S. or California also doing the same now that it would independently be one of the worlds large economies.You can’t opt in and out at will when it suits and lets face it if it became an E.U state the same problems would exist.

 

I personally see devolution as a very negative step what really needs to be done is to make a serious change to the north south divide by providing real incentives to attract business to the north.

 

My intention here is most definitely not to be anti Scottish and I certainly do not consider myself to be, I’ve certainly never been accused of this by any of my Scottish friends.

 

Maybe we should get back on thread though

Edited May 7, 2010 by cookie_monster

[Hightower]

Do you feel the same about Europe? and that "we" are supposed to be part of Europe when "we" make up some of our own rules?

 

We are a part of EU, but we retained our independance when we kept the pound.

[localzuk]

I think Scotland should be allowed to make decisions that affect Scotland, as should Wales, NI and England

Should Scotland be allowed to make decisions that affect England? or Wales? - No they shouldn't - Yet England is allowed to do just that - it doesn't make "england only" decisions - it makes decisions that affect the entire UK.. (Poll Tax anyone??)

 

I am not getting into the Independence debate as I am unsure myself about it..

 

It should be fairer - it should be that Scotland can only vote for decisions that affect scotland or the UK as WHOLE, same goes for England, Wales and NI... Unfortunately that is not currently the case...

 

England doesn't make decisions that affect Scotland/Wales/NI - The Parliament of the UK makes decisions affecting the whole of the UK - ie. Scottish MPs are involved, as are Welsh, and NI. There is no separate English Parliament... That's the point. Also, the UK is supposed to be United (kinda implied by the name).

 

What is being suggested by some is a more federalised UK. One where there is a top level federal government, which makes laws affecting the entire UK, and then devolved powers going to regional governments (not only Scotland etc... but also areas such as the NW, NE etc...). It would make some things fairer, but in other areas it would lead to a feeling of 'the federal govt is restricting us! secede!' such as those shown by a bunch of the US Southern states.

[Hightower]

It should be fairer - it should be that Scotland can only vote for decisions that affect scotland or the UK as WHOLE, same goes for England, Wales and NI... Unfortunately that is not currently the case...

 

So how would finances work? Would Scotland only be able to spend the tax that Scottish habitants paid? Or would it get a percentage (sort of speak) of the tax the whole UK paid? (And this is a serious question - I'm not trying to prompt a heated debate or anything here)

[localzuk]

So how would finances work? Would Scotland only be able to spend the tax that Scottish habitants paid? Or would it get a percentage (sort of speak) of the tax the whole UK paid? (And this is a serious question - I'm not trying to prompt a heated debate or anything here)

 

I'd guess it'd be like the US system again - with Federal taxes being deployed across the entire UK, and then there would be local 'state' taxes which can be determined and used by the individual 'states'.

[Gatt]

So if England doesnt have its own parliament - why complain that Scotland can vote for what happens in England when it cannot do so itself?

 

If England wants to make its own decisions - then England needs to follow the lead of Scotland and have its own parliament, same for wales, and NI - and one single UK parliament for UK wide issues (Isn't that how the EU works? each member state has its own Gov't for domestic affairs, as well as the EU Parliament for EU Wide affairs..)

[Gatt]

So how would finances work? Would Scotland only be able to spend the tax that Scottish habitants paid? Or would it get a percentage (sort of speak) of the tax the whole UK paid? (And this is a serious question - I'm not trying to prompt a heated debate or anything here)

 

Thats why I said about having a UK Gov't - for matters that affect the whole of the UK....

 

I'd guess it'd be like the US system again - with Federal taxes being deployed across the entire UK, and then there would be local 'state' taxes which can be determined and used by the individual 'states'.

 

Yeah thats what I was wanting to say...

[featured_spectre]

*walks away from the thread far enough I cant be heard but close enough to listen*

[Gatt]

maybe this thread should be split or locked..

[jamesb]

So if England doesnt have its own parliament - why complain that Scotland can vote for what happens in England when it cannot do so itself?

 

If England wants to make its own decisions - then England needs to follow the lead of Scotland and have its own parliament, same for wales, and NI - and one single UK parliament for UK wide issues (Isn't that how the EU works? each member state has its own Gov't for domestic affairs, as well as the EU Parliament for EU Wide affairs..)

 

I believe the issue is that English voters have not been given the choice to devolve.

[tech_guy]

Sod this hung parliament malarkey. It should be settled with a bare knuckle fight on Westminster Bridge between Dave, Gordon & Nick. #ge2010

[teejay]

Well, Clegg has said the Conservatives will get first stab with him at forming a government, Dave is making a speach about how he intends to proceed at attempting to form a govt at 2:30

[Stuart_C]

however you are suggesting that if the polling station happens to be unable to handle the number of voters, or has a rush at a certain point, or delays in clearing people to vote - essentially if there is any problem at all - then you are perfectly justified in taking away the one chance in four years that these people have to express their democratic right to vote.

 

No what I am saying is the new news reports failed to quantify exaclty what had happened, at least the reports I saw. They just made it sould like, "people can't vote, it's a national outrage, someone must be shot!!". I didn't see a single person say how long they had been there and if the fault lay with the polling station or people leave it to the last minute. I did hear a couple of stories this morning about problem's with student and the electoral role and one station that ran out of polling cards. These faults are the fault of the people running the election and willl need to be addressed. I didn't see a single person interviewed who said "hmm maybe I should have got here before 9:45 pm."

[tmcd35]

Well, Clegg has said the Conservatives will get first stab with him at forming a government, Dave is making a speach about how he intends to proceed at attempting to form a govt at 2:30

 

Well this is what make british politics so fascinating hey? Dave can make all the speeches he likes, today, tomorrow, Sunday about how he's going to form a wonderful government and lead blightly to her rightful place at the center of the known multiverse, yadda, yadda, yadda.

 

But it all means absolutly nothing untill Brown agrees to resign. Brown is still PM at this stage and the inititive is with him. Brown's not going to do anything until the LD party tell Clegg which of his pre-election promised he's going to keep. Does he keep the PR requirement to any Coelition deal as he promised and effectively support Labour. Or does he agree to let the Tories have first crack of the whip because he promised the party with the most vote/greatest % will govern.

 

I don't think we're going to know anything this side of Monday Lunchtime - but my money is still on Cameron as PM

[powdarrmonkey]

maybe this thread should be split or locked..

 

Or taken to Unofficial Chat, where we're following the developments closely. http://www.edugeek.net/forums/general-chat/53834-edugeek-emergency-chat.html

[ahuxham]

Or taken to Unofficial Chat, where we're following the developments closely. http://www.edugeek.net/forums/general-chat/53834-edugeek-emergency-chat.html

 

Where you mean I'm screaming like a mad man every-time Con's get a seat?

[powdarrmonkey]

Where you mean I'm screaming like a mad man every-time Con's get a seat?

 

That too.