DSapseid Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 Right i am have decided that i am going to be the BOFH this term. Number one on my list is getting me a pay rise ;-) I started here about 3 years ago as junior ICT Technician part time on about 8k and working under network manager. Network manager left after a year of me being there and they had restructure where they made it 2 ICT techinicians managed by a member of SLT (Director of Resources), they increased me to full time term time and increased my pay to 12k which i am on now. It started of with the Director of resources managing budget. I have now started to do that and i do everything that the old NM used to do (i found his job description on the network). I have another tech who i work with but i am the one who does most of the server work, and all of the ordering etc. The old NM was on just under 18k which i think is still low! What do you think i should be on. 8 Servers 200 Curric Machines 10 Admin Machine 60 Laptops 15 IWB 3 Primary Schools 1/2 a day a week that we share between us.
Michael Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 Without a doubt you're being underpaid. I wouldn't feel bad about it though. Working in education is a great place to learn your trade, develop your skills and work with other network managers with years of experience. There comes a time though that your skills/experience do not reflect your salary and I think it happens to most IT Professionals working in education. The best advice I can offer is you can try to apply for a pay rise, or more longterm, look at applying for other jobs. 1
localzuk Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 I manage roughly the same as that (more IWB's and no primary schools as yet) and I'm on 18.5k. 1
torledo Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 I would say you should start on 24k. 18k is low for network manager, trouble is that figure of 18k is not uncommon in a lot of areas for NM's 1
Athlona Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 Hell they are very, very low wages I am a senior Network admin North Yorks and I am on £21200 a year... But that may all change for the better or for the worst come the end of this week !!! 1
Joanne Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 I imagine you would be a senior technician when you get a raise.. and that pays 18k ish.... so that's probably what they will do. And I thought I had it bad on 13k!! 1
tmcd35 Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 Well I'm unofficially the senior tech here. I have two Junior techs on around £12k-ish (I think). I'm on £17.5k ish and we have a Network Manager above me on around £22k ish. Sounds about right. dont know/not interested in anyones exact salary. I'm not in charge of any budget, but the Network Manager is. I do all the server work, network design/maintenance/upgrades. I recon you should be on atleast £18k, sound like your doing more of the Network Managers job, so should be worth more IMHO. 1
OverWorked Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 You definitely should be on more. I manage a bit less than you, and my pay has just been increased to £20k, full time. Previously it was much lower (£14k), and I was quietly on the verge of leaving when we got a new Head who promptly raised my pay without me even asking! There are some decent Heads out there. 1
timbo343 Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 Right i am have decided that i am going to be the BOFH this term. Number one on my list is getting me a pay rise ;-) I started here about 3 years ago as junior ICT Technician part time on about 8k and working under network manager. Network manager left after a year of me being there and they had restructure where they made it 2 ICT techinicians managed by a member of SLT (Director of Resources), they increased me to full time term time and increased my pay to 12k which i am on now. It started of with the Director of resources managing budget. I have now started to do that and i do everything that the old NM used to do (i found his job description on the network). I have another tech who i work with but i am the one who does most of the server work, and all of the ordering etc. The old NM was on just under 18k which i think is still low! What do you think i should be on. 8 Servers 200 Curric Machines 10 Admin Machine 60 Laptops 15 IWB 3 Primary Schools 1/2 a day a week that we share between us. I do most of what you do plus more and im only on 17K as a systems/Network manager 1
jsnetman Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 I wouldn't be touching a server on that pay or anything above basic school/desktop support. I would ask for your job description and outline that you are doing way far and above that, and that you should be paid accordingly. 1
Joanne Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 You definitely should be on more. I manage a bit less than you, and my pay has just been increased to £20k, full time. Previously it was much lower (£14k), and I was quietly on the verge of leaving when we got a new Head who promptly raised my pay without me even asking! There are some decent Heads out there. Well apparently our SMT are talking about increasing my pay... bit late now that i'm looking for jobs!! I didn't know that it was up to the head alone... do the governors not have a say too? 1
jcollings Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 Right i am have decided that i am going to be the BOFH this term. Number one on my list is getting me a pay rise ;-) I started here about 3 years ago as junior ICT Technician part time on about 8k and working under network manager. Network manager left after a year of me being there and they had restructure where they made it 2 ICT techinicians managed by a member of SLT (Director of Resources), they increased me to full time term time and increased my pay to 12k which i am on now. It started of with the Director of resources managing budget. I have now started to do that and i do everything that the old NM used to do (i found his job description on the network). I have another tech who i work with but i am the one who does most of the server work, and all of the ordering etc. The old NM was on just under 18k which i think is still low! What do you think i should be on. 8 Servers 200 Curric Machines 10 Admin Machine 60 Laptops 15 IWB 3 Primary Schools 1/2 a day a week that we share between us. I think you probably are underpaid even as a 1st line techie. I would have thought for a network of that size £18900 to £22845 would seem about right (that's scale 5/6 on the old NJC scales). Best bet is to write down all you do and arrange to talk to your line manager. 1
Joanne Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 I wouldn't be touching a server on that pay or anything above basic school/desktop support. I would ask for your job description and outline that you are doing way far and above that, and that you should be paid accordingly. doing that won't help your case for an increase in pay! 1
jcollings Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 Well apparently our SMT are talking about increasing my pay... bit late now that i'm looking for jobs!! I didn't know that it was up to the head alone... do the governors not have a say too? Governors do have a say but if it's anything like here they pretty much go with the Heads recommendations. 1
ICT_GUY Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 2 x servers, 55PCs (going to be near 100 soon) Website General jobs. Term Time only. 27.5hrs a week over 12K. Its why I smile lots. 1
cookie_monster Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 I've been told by someone at DCC that technicians can't be paid over scale 5 which is around 18k, this is why you need to get technician removed from your job title (if it's in) and have it sent to be evaluated by the local authority. I've know people salary jump by 10k when you list what you do and send it to be evaluated under a real framework. 1
ICT_GUY Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 I've been told by someone at DCC that technicians can't be paid over scale 5 which is around 18k, this is why you need to get technician removed from your job title (if it's in) and have it sent to be evaluated by the local authority. I've know people salary jump by 10k when you list what you do and send it to be evaluated under a real framework. Is why my job title is technician, even though I asked for Network Admin as job title. 1
pallen Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 Joanne - by continueing to do over and above your Jobs Desc, it allows the head to ignore the problem as it does not affect anything in the school. If the OP is anything like a lot of people who post on here, they will have been doing more than the Job Desc in the hope of gaining more money and a better contract. Only by stopping doing all the extra will you actually find out if the head wants someone you or just the cheapest person they can employ. If you are a valued member of the school, you contract will be evaluated. If not, you are forced to look elsewhere for another job, leaving the head to get the next cheap labour option. As an answer to the OP question, I think you are underpaid, but then I'm in a similar situation so I may be biased What may be worth noting though, is if they are not prepared to give you more money, who is supposed to be doing all the server support? There will be tasks that require a higher level of respsonsibility than an entry level Tech so it needs to be identified who should be doing this work. It may help you in pushing for more money if you can show the responsibilities you have taken on. 1
Guest Guest Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 (edited) 300 odd workstations 9 servers A few laptops website infrastructure (installing and maintaining) Helpdesk, faq, intranet, etc Several dozen WBs and alot more projectors Music equipment AV equipment Video conferencing Stage lighting and sound Photographs Powerpoints Anything "showy" that needs to be good; sorting pics for brochure etc Teaching an apprentice Occasional Staff training Anything which runs on electricity <£15k pa. And due to JE i wont ever earn more Edited April 22, 2008 by Guest
localzuk Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 JE should not stop you from earning more - it is not a set pay scheme, it is a set of recommendations. 1
Guest Guest Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 JE should not stop you from earning more - it is not a set pay scheme, it is a set of recommendations. Dont need to tell me that mate. The head seems to think its the perfect excuse to use on a lower mortal such as myself. He seriously thinks im daft
tobyhacker Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 I know in my LEA that if you have no qualifications in IT then you can't progress past a certain salary, even if you can do the job better than someone who has. However, I would list your current job specification and all the different areas of work that you deal in and compare it to any benchmark job descriptions for your LEA. Make sure you have a good breakdown of what is required for each position written down and then request to see your line manager or head and ask for your position and salary to be reviewed because of the jobs you are now required to do compared to your LEAs recognised job descriptions. If you can prove why, and use examples of similar positions and pay in your area, then you should stand a good chance of getting some recognition 1
Grommit Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 Well I'm unofficially the senior tech here. I have two Junior techs on around £12k-ish (I think). I'm on £17.5k ish and we have a Network Manager above me on around £22k ish. Sounds about right. dont know/not interested in anyones exact salary. I'm not in charge of any budget, but the Network Manager is. I do all the server work, network design/maintenance/upgrades. I recon you should be on atleast £18k, sound like your doing more of the Network Managers job, so should be worth more IMHO. A Network Managers job is much more than looking after servers.... 1
tmcd35 Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 A Network Managers job is much more than looking after servers.... Sorry am I missing something here? I never said, or implied (or didn't mean to) that the Network Managers job was looking after servers. What I said is that my job, as Senior Tech, is looking after the servers and I get paid £17.5k ish for it. Our Network Manager handles the budget, department decision and liaises with third party suppliers amongst other jobs and gets paid more for it, around the £22k-ish. Indeed he is very busy at he moment trying to sort our a new MIS for the school. 1
actech Posted April 22, 2008 Posted April 22, 2008 I am the IT Manager at my school here with the rest of the convicts and I get $51,000 a year or around £24,000. I once thought about going overseas to work but stuff that! 1
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