pickman Posted November 26, 2014 Posted November 26, 2014 This annoyed me this morning. lets ask students if they can bypass school filters of course some of them are going to say they have. I get it at least once a day a student coning up and saying he can bypass the filters :-) which of course he cant One in six pupils accesses porn on school computers: Secondary school aged children bypassing teachers' controls to look at adult websites | Daily Mail Online
pooley Posted November 26, 2014 Posted November 26, 2014 You don't actually expect accuracy in reporting anything with the Daily fail ? 2
pickman Posted November 26, 2014 Author Posted November 26, 2014 of course not :-) Just wonder how many parents do though
LoyalHeretic Posted November 26, 2014 Posted November 26, 2014 So when a student says they have 'bypassed' the internet filters in school does that mean they've been looking at porn on their phones? The ones provided by their parents? Who should be more responsible about what their darlings are able to access? I'd comment on the article itself but I don't know if I could live with myself if i posted content to the Daily Mail..
mikeprice Posted November 26, 2014 Posted November 26, 2014 Of course any parents that complain will have their little darlings WWW access at home properly filtered and checked and monitored and not just let them disappear up to their room and have uncontrolled access via a variety of devices all evening????
sippo Posted November 26, 2014 Posted November 26, 2014 Some of it is down to classroom management, and people forget that. Webfiltering is a must, but how long should it be a must? There is nothing stopping a student using their phone signal to access banned sites.
jinnantonnixx Posted November 26, 2014 Posted November 26, 2014 You didn't read the disclaimer, did you? "NOTICE: The Daily Mail is for entertainment purposes only. It should not be used as a news source" 2
sonofsanta Posted November 26, 2014 Posted November 26, 2014 Oh, we took our web filtering out. The Daily Mail told me it caused cancer by blocking the free flow of carcinogenic bits out onto the internet, causing a build up behind our firewall. Better safe than sorry! 1
sted Posted November 26, 2014 Posted November 26, 2014 is it just me or could you end every daily mail article with 4
NikChillin Posted November 26, 2014 Posted November 26, 2014 Of course any parents that complain will have their little darlings WWW access at home properly filtered and checked and monitored and not just let them disappear up to their room and have uncontrolled access via a variety of devices all evening???? or their 3/4G devices in school?
Miscbrah Posted November 26, 2014 Posted November 26, 2014 is it just me or could you end every daily mail article with [ATTACH=CONFIG]27712[/ATTACH] Why not? Parliament end every net censorship bill or terrorism law with that.
Seb1780 Posted November 26, 2014 Posted November 26, 2014 "The poll of 1,000 children, commissioned by the Daisy Group" - Daily Mail Business Broadband, Phone Lines, Calls, Mobile, VoIP & Hosting Co-incidence? I think not.
GrumbleDook Posted November 27, 2014 Posted November 27, 2014 "The poll of 1,000 children, commissioned by the Daisy Group" - Daily Mail Business Broadband, Phone Lines, Calls, Mobile, VoIP & Hosting Co-incidence? I think not. That was my first thought as well ... do a survey about how poor filtering is and then produce a report about how good schools using their products are after a suitable time? Maybe I am just being cynical. If this sort of report doesn't come from a reputable and notable source (e.g. Childnet, UK Safer Internet Centre) then I take it with a pinch of salt, no matter if it was first published in the Sun and then republished in the Daily Mail.
Dos_Box Posted November 27, 2014 Posted November 27, 2014 Can we move this to the main forums instead of hiding it in BTRD as it's an interesting topic and shouldn't be hidden. 1
GrumbleDook Posted November 27, 2014 Posted November 27, 2014 It think that would be a good idea, as long as people remember that we have to be factual and are not sure of Daisy Groups objectives in this or who they are working with. I can't find the full report anywhere so we only have limited info, and previous practices of businesses that we can suggest as possible options (not facts).
Dos_Box Posted November 27, 2014 Posted November 27, 2014 @pickman will have to agree. It's his thread after all.
Bompalompalomp Posted November 27, 2014 Posted November 27, 2014 I refuse to give the DM my traffic but I'm assuming by accessing porn they mean "The site we googled for colouring books has adverts for those browser MMOs with elves in lingerie", which is something I've had here more than once.
IrritableTech Posted November 27, 2014 Posted November 27, 2014 The same story has been reported in the Evening Post - Leeds pupils look at adult sites on school PCs - Yorkshire Evening Post It's extremely disappointing journalism. The 'research' has been extended to suggest that the local area has an issue, without any facts about where the 'survey' was taken. When you find the article written by the marketing department of the private company who conducted the research the story doesn't get much better... Third of schools struggling with tech | Daisy Group PLC A provider of IT equipment and services says that schools aren't getting the best out of their IT equipment and services. Guess who thinks they can do better? Have you seen the reports definitions? The research was carried out by One Poll who surveyed 1000 children aged 11-16 yrs living in the UK. ‘Unsuitable’ is defined as a website that students knew they weren’t supposed to visit using school’s computers, such as: o adult content (rude/sexual/bad language) o unpleasant material (shocking/violent) o social media (blocked by most schools) ‘Overspending’ is defined as not having accessed/utilised the most cost-effective tariffs on the market, and therefore spending more than was required. Says it all really.
LeMarchand Posted November 27, 2014 Posted November 27, 2014 browser MMOs with elves in lingerie Sounds hot! Where do I sign up?
pickman Posted November 27, 2014 Author Posted November 27, 2014 Can we move this to the main forums instead of hiding it in BTRD as it's an interesting topic and shouldn't be hidden. Happy for this to happen 😄 glad it's brought out some discussion Already had two inquires about our filtering
mthomas08 Posted November 27, 2014 Posted November 27, 2014 You don't actually expect accuracy in reporting anything with Student polls? Slight correction for you The title alone says it all - One in six pupils accesses porn on school computers: Secondary school aged children bypassing teachers' controls to look at adult websites. Since when was it Teachers controls? Unless they know the secret that Schools are forced to unblock far too much because Teachers says so?
GrumbleDook Posted November 27, 2014 Posted November 27, 2014 The fact that they use one of the most educationally debunked terms says it all for me. "Digital natives"! Think I will pass this on to a few folk to get their reaction. I wonder how it compares to a more comprehensive report on use of tech in school, such as BESA's annual report?
Arthur Posted November 27, 2014 Posted November 27, 2014 Some people would argue that schools filter too much in the UK. The British obsession with web filtering British schools spend thousands of pounds every year protecting students from the horrors of the Internet. A multi-million pound industry has been built up to protect our children from accessing pornography and other inappropriate content online, but how much of this is really necessary, and could our need to control student Internet access stem from the way we teach rather than concerns about safety? In Denmark schools are not legally required to filter or monitor student access to the Internet, and most schools do not implement it. Instead students are educated about taking personal responsibility for their actions and how to deal with uncomfortable situations.
GrumbleDook Posted November 28, 2014 Posted November 28, 2014 So, the survey was of 1000 students. In a lot of places that is a single school. The research is truly laughable. Jeremy Clarkson is rude ... does that make top Gear adult content? News about the civil war in Syria and the fight against IS is shocking ... does that make BBC news violent content? Social media ... this is always going to be something of a long debate. It has it's place but is open to abuse and open to being a distraction in the classroom ... but most students will be accessing via their own personal devices anyway. Ah ... but just enough news worthiness for it to be picked up by the currant bun and daily fail. Yes, another day on and I *still* can't believe how dreadful this article is! 1
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