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CyberNerd

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In 2004, Google and Apple had 0% of the smartphone market (just like Canonical and Jolla do now). Your point is? :confused:

 

That MS have been in the smartphone market a LONG time and they completely dropped the ball.

Arthur

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These "dinosaurs" are Microsoft's bread and butter.

I didn't mean in the financial sense. The large majority of businesses downgrade their licenses - Windows 8 to 2000/XP/Vista/7 and Office 2013 to 2003/2007/2010. Why should Microsoft care about companies who are happy with the status quo? It doesn't matter how Windows 8 was received by them because most of them will not be upgrading to it. They are still migrating to Windows 7 (see the article I linked above). If it was up to them most would probably stick with Windows XP for the next 10-20 years!

 

How would you sell tablets and touchscreen laptops to consumers if Windows 8 looked exactly like Windows 7? :confused:

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That MS have been in the smartphone market a LONG time and they completely dropped the ball.

Wouldn't you agree that Microsoft made the right decision to start from scratch and design a new operating system specifically for smartphones? Dropping the ball would be sticking with Windows Mobile despite it being wholly unsuitable for modern smartphones.

 

If you think Microsoft are doing bad, perhaps you should take a look at HTC, Sony, LG, Motorola, Huawei and ZTE. They take home less than 5% of the total profits from Android smartphones between them. The other 95% goes straight to Samsung. Is that good? :confused:

 

Google also dropped a pretty big ball by buying Motorola for $12.5 billion and then essentially doing nothing with the company.

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CAM

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MS should decouple Office from the rest of the company and it would make even more money.

I couldn't imagine a scenario where a non-MS company wouldn't sell office for the majority of platforms - ie unix based telephones and tablets.

 

Microsoft have a great position, they don't just sell Office products but also the very groundwork that the office programs run on. This gives them a ton of control as on another operating system, they have to work by someone else's standards. On Windows, MS control the OS and they can set their own standards and way of working which customers get used to and lets them operate to those standards on other platforms due to customer demand. How else could office binary formats have lasted so long before they finally had to open them up a bit with an XML format instead of people going straight for open formats? They had the market and they dictated the format.

 

If they decouple the Office business from the OS division then they risk losing this position. People still buy Windows and still run MS products on MS platforms and that's what they cling to by trying to ensure once you go MS, you want to stay MS. With Google killing off popular services at whim, Apple locking their customers into their own walled gardens and Linux still failing to get enough traction on the user desktop they know it's a position worth exploiting. I'm amazed that Office 365 in some form or another didn't appear in the XB1 reveal but I wouldn't mind betting we see it alongside SkyDrive on the console (which to admit, might make it a very interesting comparison against Sony's offering if you can take snaps, put them on SkyDrive then show them on your console!)

Arthur

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Back on topic...

 

Xbox One has non-replaceable hard drive, external storage is supported

We had the opportunity to chat with Albert Penello, senior director of product planning at Microsoft this afternoon, who was kind enough to clarify a few topics for us regarding the recently-unveiled Xbox One. One thing we were quick to ask about was the integrated storage. 500GB sounds like a lot today -- but so did the 20GB unit in the original Xbox 360. The HDD there was, at least, replaceable. Can you do the same with its successor? Sadly, no. Hard drives in the Xbox One are non-user-serviceable, but Penello confirmed that the USB 3.0 port is there for external storage, which can be used for everything the internal storage can be used for. That includes game installs and downloads. So, don't fret: adding storage will be just as easy as ever. (Source)

tmcd35

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No Backwards Compatibility:

 

OS uses 3Gb ram:

Microsoft confirms: Xbox One OS uses 3GB RAM, 5GB RAM for games |

 

That makes sense, I thought I misheard them saying 5Gb of RAM during the presentation. What I want to know is, out of the remaining 5Gb is any reserved for the GPU/GPU restricted to using 1Gb or 2Gb?

 

I ask because the PS4 is rumoured to reserve 1Gb for OS and the other 7Gb can be divide up however developers choose with both CPU and GPU being able to access all portions of RAM simultaneously.

synaesthesia

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The amount of time people spend whittering about numbers is daft. It's what you do with it that counts (sic)

 

"OMG it's got 8 cores!"

SO has the Galaxy S4.

 

"OMG it's only 1.6ghz"

Enough said, everyone here understands numbers don't mean everything.

 

"OMG it's only using 5GB Ram"

The server next to me has 16 and it's not as quick as my station with 2.

 

"OMG it's 2013"

Well done, the console your pining after shouldn't exist now and only does because people keep putting money in their pockets to do so.

 

I look behind me and see an ultra SFF lenovo workstation that's capable of serious performance. There's nothing in there that can't be built into a TV enclosure. Slap a GPU in a unified architecture and why the hell are we pining after xboxes and playstations for silly money. Because we're letting them let us.

tmcd35

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RAM is interesting though - more RAM means more textures that can be used. I'd be interested as to how they're handling the RAM for GPU/CPU.

 

Exactly, which is why I think the PS4 is a compelling product next to custom build PC's.

Sunnyknight

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That makes sense, I thought I misheard them saying 5Gb of RAM during the presentation. What I want to know is, out of the remaining 5Gb is any reserved for the GPU/GPU restricted to using 1Gb or 2Gb?

 

I ask because the PS4 is rumoured to reserve 1Gb for OS and the other 7Gb can be divide up however developers choose with both CPU and GPU being able to access all portions of RAM simultaneously.

 

Aye i'm also keen to get more information on this. I assume the 3gb is for all of the 'snapping' and 'multi-functioning' that you can do on this great new xbox. I'd also like to know if it's possible to disable features to free up RAM on the OS, should it be needed.

 

Also, they mention a 8 core processor, but who's 8 core will Xbox be using? Also keen to hear more on this.

 

Everything that has been asked directly, has either been feathered away, or contradicted on multiple scales from MS at the moment. As a Xbox Fan Boy, i'm not happy. Sony don't have to do much for me to swap over this time, unless MS announce something extraordinary... other than this console...:doh:

Theblacksheep

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RAM is interesting though - more RAM means more textures that can be used. I'd be interested as to how they're handling the RAM for GPU/CPU.

 

Which is why 8Gb of GDDR5 in the PS4 was surprising. Consoles can also be heavily optimised.

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localzuk

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Aye i'm also keen to get more information on this. I assume the 3gb is for all of the 'snapping' and 'multi-functioning' that you can do on this great new xbox. I'd also like to know if it's possible to disable features to free up RAM on the OS, should it be needed.

 

Highly unlikely.

 

Also, they mention a 8 core processor, but who's 8 core will Xbox be using? Also keen to hear more on this.

 

It'll be an AMD CPU.

Valyyn

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I was really looking forward to this, but as a lot of people I'm quite disappointed. Between the massive focus on US-only TV, the not being able to lend a game to your mate thing and this. I'm just crossing my fingers that we'll see some stuff at E3 to fix things.

 

Kotaku: If I’m playing a single player game, do I have to be online at least once per hour or something like that? Or can I go weeks and weeks?

Harrison: I believe it’s 24 hours.

Kotaku: I’d have to connect online once every day.

Harrison: Correct.

 

Ninja edit, Ok they've updated the article since last night, sounds like they're still hedging their bets...

Update: Sounds like things are a mess over at Microsoft. Now they're telling Polygon that Harrison's comments illustrate a "potential scenario."

 

"While Phil [Harrison] discussed many potential scenarios around games on Xbox One, today we have only confirmed that we designed Xbox One to enable our customers to trade in and resell games at retail," a Microsoft rep said. "There have been reports of a specific time period — those were discussions of potential scenarios, but we have not confirmed any details today, nor will we be."

localzuk

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It seems remarkably like they are at a very early stage of development - a huge amount of the info people want is coming back as "details to follow later".

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