Microsoft releases massive Slow Boot / Slow Login Hotfix Rollup (KB2775511)

[speckytecky]

Probably a totally muppet question from me - don't slap me too hard but won't this be coming out as an update release in it's own right in due course?

[witch]

I applied this to my own desktop (dual core running windows 7 pro) and a laptop. The desktop now hangs on the starting windows screen and takes twice as long to get to the Cont/alt/del screen as it did before.

Anyone got any insights into why this should be? I have restarted the machine several times

 

Also, the laptop - a fully updated i3 - won't run the update - message about it not applying to that machine?

I'm confused

Edited March 18, 2013 by witch

[Michael]

Probably a totally muppet question from me - don't slap me too hard but won't this be coming out as an update release in it's own right in due course?

 

Not necessarily. Microsoft have stated it's a 'corporate update' so if it is released to the general public, this could be months and months down the line.

[Michael]

I applied this to my own desktop (dual core running windows 7 pro) and a laptop. The desktop now hangs on the starting windows screen and takes twice as long to get to the Cont/alt/del screen as it did before.

Anyone got any insights into why this should be? I have restarted the machine several times

 

Also, the laptop - a fully updated i3 - won't run the update - message about it not applying to that machine?

I'm confused

 

You could always try uninstalling the update and see if speed is restored. Also have you checked the event logs?

[Arthur]

I applied this to my own desktop

Have you installed it on your server(s) too? It needs to be on both.

[sted]

Have you installed it on your server(s) too? It needs to be on both.

 

only if your server is 08r2 doubt it would work on 08/03/12

[Arthur]

only if your server is 2008 R2

I might be wrong, but I thought that is what @witch had?

[witch]

Sorry, didnt say that did I - Yes, I did install on the server, and yes, I have Server 2008R2

Nothing in event logs

will uninstall and see if speed is restored

[psydii]

That's why they recommended taking benchmarks before and after with xperf. You do have two days to spare to learn that tool don't you? (I did start trying to learn it in the evenings, but once the hotfixes had empirically resolved the issues I was seeing I totally bailed on that)

 

FWIW I haven't noticed much/any difference from the patches I had already deployed. However.... it is feasible that new fastest boot time might be slower than the original W7 Sp1 boot time for systems that were not impacted by the bugs/behaviours contained therein. How slow is it for you now?

[witch]

Doesn't hang on the starting windows screen anymore. Laptop still says the patch isnt suitable

Weird!!

[psydii]

I have a vague memory that at some point I saw machines 'hanging' during start up after one of the TCPIP stack updates. It was solved by installing the latest drivers (which were released about a week after that hotfix). This anecdote may contain no useful information.

 

As for your i3 refusing to install, is it definitely running sp1? Is the hotfix the right architecture, is it possible you grabbed the 32bit version on that machine by mistake?

[witch]

I have a vague memory that at some point I saw machines 'hanging' during start up after one of the TCPIP stack updates. It was solved by installing the latest drivers (which were released about a week after that hotfix). This anecdote may contain no useful information.

 

As for your i3 refusing to install, is it definitely running sp1? Is the hotfix the right architecture, is it possible you grabbed the 32bit version on that machine by mistake?

 

Will look at the drivers issue but could be a deal breaker as I have no time to update drivers on every machine.

I'm sure I grabbed the right version and I did the windows update bit before I tried to install it but I will look again.

[Edu-IT]

You can't, you need 'special' RM updates.

Not true @Michael. RM uses WSUS, and you can import this update into WSUS, if you wished. ;-)

[SYNACK]

Not true @Michael. RM uses WSUS, and you can import this update into WSUS, if you wished. ;-)

 

Have they changed it, I thought that running non-sanctioned updates was likely to break it and at the least likely to void your support.

[Edu-IT]

Have they changed it, I thought that running non-sanctioned updates was likely to break it and at the least likely to void your support.

I've rolled out updates and still been supported, but if you're unsure, check.

[sparkeh]

For those using SCCM you need to import this update in WSUS as @Valyyn instructed (I know I know that usually you are told to avoid configuring WSUS directly but you have to here).

You have to make sure you are syncing the 'update' classification, then just sync and it appears in the update list.

[jeffstokesmsft]

Have they changed it, I thought that running non-sanctioned updates was likely to break it and at the least likely to void your support.

 

Yes, it was tested like the printer rollup hotfix was...review the hotfix text: This article describes a hotfix rollup for Windows 7 Service Pack 1 (SP1)-based and Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1-based computers. This hotfix rollup contains 90 hotfixes that were released after the release of SP1 for Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2. These hotfixes improve the overall performance and system reliability of Windows 7 SP1-based and Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1-based computers. We recommend that you apply this hotfix rollup as part of your regular maintenance routine and build processes for Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2 computers."

[sted]

Yes, it was tested like the printer rollup hotfix was...review the hotfix text: This article describes a hotfix rollup for Windows 7 Service Pack 1 (SP1)-based and Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1-based computers. This hotfix rollup contains 90 hotfixes that were released after the release of SP1 for Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2. These hotfixes improve the overall performance and system reliability of Windows 7 SP1-based and Windows Server 2008 R2 SP1-based computers. We recommend that you apply this hotfix rollup as part of your regular maintenance routine and build processes for Windows 7 and Windows Server 2008 R2 computers."

 

i think they meant rm support rather than ms

[Duke5A]

word of warning.. i applied this update this weekend and has definalty made things better, whilst i havent seen a increase in logon speeds ( they are fast anyway) i have noticed certain settings that never seemed to apply properly have suddenly started to work so very happy.

 

What settings are those? I only ask because I'm still having some very random issues of proxy settings not applying correctly on wireless devices.

[jeffstokesmsft]

i think they meant rm support rather than ms

 

Oh I see. Yeah this is a rollup from Microsoft, we tested it pretty thoroughly so hopefully ISVs and software providers will do the same. It should help things out across enterprise environments really.

[psydii]

Oh I see. Yeah this is a rollup from Microsoft, we tested it pretty thoroughly so hopefully ISVs and software providers will do the same. It should help things out across enterprise environments really.

 

Do we know if it has any issues with TMG, Exchange or SQL Server? I have a vague recollection that some of the interim LDR updates to the tcpip stack didn't always play nice with TMG...

[psydii]

Will look at the drivers issue but could be a deal breaker as I have no time to update drivers on every machine.

I'm sure I grabbed the right version and I did the windows update bit before I tried to install it but I will look again.

 

You might be able to get some support in the MS Technet forums.. let them know you saw a performance drop, and post two xperf traces of before and after.

 

Getting xperf and capturing a trace is dead easy. Slow Boot Slow Logon (SBSL), A Tool Called XPerf and Links You Need To Read - Ask Premier Field Engineering (PFE) Platforms - Site Home - TechNet Blogs

The hard part is learning how to do the analysis. If you are lucky someone who knows what they are doing might analyse it for you and identify the choke point.

[victory2012]

What settings are those? I only ask because I'm still having some very random issues of proxy settings not applying correctly on wireless devices.

 

yes it was proxy settings as some kids couldnt get on internet randomly.. also had a few registry setting sin preferences which changed size of icons on desktop that never worked but suddenly did after the patch.

[jeffstokesmsft]

You might be able to get some support in the MS Technet forums.. let them know you saw a performance drop, and post two xperf traces of before and after.

 

Getting xperf and capturing a trace is dead easy. Slow Boot Slow Logon (SBSL), A Tool Called XPerf and Links You Need To Read - Ask Premier Field Engineering (PFE) Platforms - Site Home - TechNet Blogs

The hard part is learning how to do the analysis. If you are lucky someone who knows what they are doing might analyse it for you and identify the choke point.

How to collect a good boot trace on Windows 7 - Dude where's my PFE? - Site Home - TechNet Blogs. I'm happy to look at a before/after or help. My contact information is on the blog.

[jeffstokesmsft]

Great question. I'd test my environment to validate it. An idea may be to patch the endpoints to get the update and see the WMI and operational health benefits immediately, then you can update the back end infrastructure later perhaps after testing has been done.