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bossman

bossman

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@pcstru:

 

So yes, benefits cheats. Absolutely terrible - something really must be done.

 

I have duly noted the sarcastic tone and would just like to state for the record that what you have said about this government is totally true and of past governments also, I already know and have given my views on this which for the record is the same stance as yours except I am not being sarcastic about agreeing with you.

 

The thread was about a person, who clearly stated on TV that he had not worked a day in his life, bleating that he couldn't manage on benefits of £500 per week when there are lots of people I know who work hard for much less than that figure.

 

I was just commenting on this and this alone. :)

Hightower

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Your argument is like saying that because I work on the ground in a school doing IT, I therefore should be in charge of IT globally, and know everything there is to know about IT...

 

:eek:

 

I'm shocked. Based on your 'know-it-all' posts on this forum I've always just figured you were the master of everything. Truly shocked at this discovery, who's going to be in charge of global IT now (because @localzuk has been transferred to the global farming department)

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localzuk

localzuk

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:eek:

 

I'm shocked. Based on your 'know-it-all' posts on this forum I've always just figured you were the master of everything. Truly shocked at this discovery, who's going to be in charge of global IT now (because @localzuk has been transferred to the global farming department)

 

I shall hang up my know-it-all hat and hand in my resignation to the world know-it-all society. :(

Earthling

Earthling

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How clever. You manage to take something out of context and make a glib comment. Well done. *pats Earthling on the head*. :rolleyes:

 

How is it taking something out of context....you produced statistics to try to prove your point, I pointed out what previous Govts have said about statistics.

 

And, please, don't be condescending. Is that how you treat your students when they disagree with you?

localzuk

localzuk

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How is it taking something out of context....you produced statistics to try to prove your point, I pointed out what previous Govts have said about statistics.

 

You highlighted my saying specifically the part where I mentioned governments - you didn't highlight my use of statistics.

 

And, please, don't be condescending. Is that how you treat your students when they disagree with you?

 

Yup, and I get on great with them. It's banter.

Rydra

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I can give you a few really damned good reasons why we shouldn't give up eating meat.

 

-Think of all the ipad app developers who make primary school apps. No more "Sheep goes BAAAAA!" We'll just have a whole board of varied fart noises with tags to which plant made that particular variant.

 

-We wouldn't have the genius that is Terry Pratchett's "Where's My Cow!"

 

-No more McDonalds.... This puts the cretins who work there back into circulation for the rest of the world to deal with them.

 

-You'd kill the food industry overnight. No more late night kebabs, no more greasy spoons, no more family restaurants with names like "Beefeater". I'm less inclined to pay someone to steam a plate of carrots and a bowl of tomato soup, removing this important social aspect of the world.

 

Lastly, if you try and take away my meat I will have to start eating people, and according to many an old children's book, children taste the best, so I guess I'm in the best possible place to keep up my source of protein...

localzuk

localzuk

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I can give you a few really damned good reasons why we shouldn't give up eating meat.

 

-Think of all the ipad app developers who make primary school apps. No more "Sheep goes BAAAAA!" We'll just have a whole board of varied fart noises with tags to which plant made that particular variant.

 

What do you have against fart noises?? Some of the best comedy around revolves around them!

 

-We wouldn't have the genius that is Terry Pratchett's "Where's My Cow!"

 

He could very well have wrote a book about 'where's my pet pigme hedgehog!'... :p

 

No more McDonalds.... This puts the cretins who work there back into circulation for the rest of the world to deal with them.

 

-You'd kill the food industry overnight. No more late night kebabs, no more greasy spoons, no more family restaurants with names like "Beefeater". I'm less inclined to pay someone to steam a plate of carrots and a bowl of tomato soup, removing this important social aspect of the world.

 

Nah, vegetarian/vegan food can be just as much junk as meat based foods.

 

Lastly, if you try and take away my meat I will have to start eating people, and according to many an old children's book, children taste the best, so I guess I'm in the best possible place to keep up my source of protein...

 

Well, I spose it would help aid the world overpopulation problem...

witch

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Ok, OK - and breathe.....

That's better - a bit of humour without barbs is good!

Informed discussion is a good thing!

There are good and bad points on all sides - there is plenty of evidence to show that we should grow vegetables and not meat, but there are indeed many places where crops are not viable so some animals can still be bred.

Benefit cheats certainly need to be stopped, and people who have never worked need incentives and possibly benefit cuts etc to encourage them to work - but I am not sure I want to go back to the days when someone came in and assessed every single one of your possessions, telling you what to get rid of and how to live before they would give you anything.

Governments do indeed need to sort out the corruption at the top - and the bottom..

 

Now, has that covered everything? This fence is really quite uncomfortable - how does @GrumbleDook do it?:)

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MK-2

MK-2

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-Think of all the ipad app developers who make primary school apps. No more "Sheep goes BAAAAA!" We'll just have a whole board of varied fart noises with tags to which plant made that particular variant.

 

I'm sorry, have you seen the vast majority of fart sound apps on the app store, they will go from strength to strength :p

Guest Guest

Guest Guest

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This fence is really quite uncomfortable

 

I think you're sitting on it wrong ;)

HarryMonkey

HarryMonkey

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So, did anyone see "The Great British Food Revival" last night? ... That piece of Longhorn forerib of beef looked wonderful, must go and get myself a piece of that.

 

:)

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Earthling

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I held a LAN party back in the day.......three Norwegian guys came over, two of them were ex-elk slaughterers, hunters, whatever, and they brought (clandestinely or otherwise, not sure of that) some elk steaks they'd frozen the week before. After they'd been defrosted, marinated for 24 hours, and put on the BBQ, they were the nearest thing to Heaven that I've ever tasted. With the possible exception of chocolate ice-cream.

 

Apropos of nothing at all, really, the third was a Headteacher.

 

Hey, Jay-Hawk, if you're on this forum, you know who this is :)

GrumbleDook

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He likes talking, he gets to talk twice as much being on the fence. :)

 

Yes, that is very true ... talking about both sides does mean you tend to write longer and more protracted posts, taking a balanced view and being able to point out matching arguments. On the other hand the fact that I have to write twice as much everything, including considering the best ways of preventing getting splinters in my backside ... and there are two thoughts on that matter ... does tend to lead you down the route of insanity.

 

Which makes it easier ...

 

I now longer have to think hard about this ... instead it is just a transcript of the discussion of the voices in my head ... and it gets noisy in there.

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Rawns

Rawns

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Reminds me of an article down my way on our local news site. A family were appealing to the District Council to put a new boiler in their council house because the heating was not warming the house up & the "hot" water was not hot. Their youngest had to go to bed wrapped in a blanket, all other family members wore jackets and jumpers to bed, rooms were full of damp and mould etc. It was a really long winded sob story which started to tug on a heart string.

 

Next to the article was a photo of the family outside their house with "sad" expressions. Every family member was wearing a £60 Superdry hoodie.

 

Almost every comment under the story was to the effect of "If you can afford expensive, branded clothes, you can buy your own boiler."

 

I have to agree...

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HarryMonkey

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However, they pay their rent and as such are entitled to have the maintenance on such things done by the housing association/council/landlord. I'm sure that if these were private tenants and teh landlord had told them to buy their own boiler, there would be a greater sympathy for them. Regardless of what they choose to wear, they are entitled to a level of service from their landlord.
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Flatpackhamster

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So, if land is growing maize, it can't possibly grow anything else? You know how preposterous that sounds?

 

It depends on access to water (and irrigation), pH, soil depth, slope, access to machinery, and so on.

 

Well done, you've managed to choose small scale thinking as your method of argument. Those areas of land do not make up the majority of land in use for agriculture. Stop thinking 'this bit of land here is basically sheet rock, it ain't any good for farming' and start thinking that 29% of the planet is land. Sure, a good amount of that is unsuitable for some produce or other, but to say that crop farming is not possible on all that land that is used for animals? That's ridiculous to the extreme.

 

I didn't say that. What I said was that your blanket assumption that all land being used for animals could be used for crops was wrong. There's a really good reason why farmers raise livestock on some land and arable on others.

 

OK. Now I know you're just being a troll. You do realise that a farmer will have experience of his land, his crops and his animals. So, they are NOT an expert on farming in general. They are not an expert on getting the most out of the world's land. No, people that spend their lives studying worldwide farming techniques, land use and the like are experts on this sort of thing.

 

Nothing trollicious about that statement. You're telling us all here that land management is best understood at a macro level. All well and good, but how does that equate to the micro level which is where the actual farming takes place? Unless your clever men and women with years of experience of university life actually know about farming, all the conferences and pieces of paper in the world won't help them, because they'll get it horribly wrong.

 

 

Your argument is like saying that because I work on the ground in a school doing IT, I therefore should be in charge of IT globally, and know everything there is to know about IT...

 

No, I'm saying that if you assume that the only people who know anything about farming are researchers with Phds, you are deluded. You remind me of Roderick Spode from Jeeves and Wooster, telling everyone that the whole of Herefordshire would be turned over to the production of beetroot, and that it had all 'been scientifically worked out'. Forgive me if I have more faith in the people who work the land to know what it's capable of.

 

Genuine question - how much time have you spent on farms and around farmers?

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