CCTV Solution 20+ Cameras and recording server etc

[RabbieBurns]

What kind of price should we be looking at for a system like this. We will most likely use our own network infrastructure and just create a VLAN for the CCTV..

 

We've been quoted about $150k (£100Kish) for an ad hoc solution put together by a local company...

 

HAs anyone used Indigovision? Theyve been recommended to me and i see from their website they are used by some schools in london and bromly?

 

Education Solutions - IndigoVision, IP CCTV, IP Camera, IP Video, Network Video Recorder, Video Management Software

[dhicks]

What kind of price should we be looking at for a system like this.

 

At a very rough guess, £200 per camera (a decent off-the-shelf model, weatherproof, decent image quality in both daylight and night and capable of power-over-ethernet operation) and maybe £3000 for the storage server. I'd make my own, but I know that QNAP devices have a specific facility for CCTV footage storage, so that might be a good option if you can't make your own file server. You'll then have to install the cameras and connect them to your network - you might be able to do that yourself, or you could hire a contractor to do that for you (nothing complicated, just drilling and screwing). If you use PoE cameras you'll need PoE-capable switches, midspans, or PoE injectors at appropriate points. Depending on how much you simply do yourself, under £10,000 should be quite manageable.

Edited September 21, 2011 by dhicks

[jinnantonnixx]

If you don't mind rolling your own solution (or at least buying the parts separately) you might want to look at Synology's offerings. They make Linux NAS machines which have surveillance systems built-in. (No lock-in to a particular IP camera)

 

Recording Surveillance DSM3.2 Synology Inc. Network Attached Storage - NEW NAS Experience

[zag]

QNAP Nas + a load of wireless POE cameras should do the trick.

[SYNACK]

QNAP Nas + a load of wireless POE (Power Over Ethernet) cameras should do the trick.

 

Huh, sounds convoluded

[zag]

haha oops yes, forget the wireless bit. Far too unreliable!

[RabbieBurns]

Not looking to do this on a shoestring by any means and want as professional solution as possible, I dont mind providing POE access and a VLAN for the cameras.

 

Interestingly, how does a wireless POE work? It sends the power over wifi?

[ben604]

Not looking to do this on a shoestring by any means and want as professional solution as possible, I dont mind providing POE access and a VLAN for the cameras.

 

Interestingly, how does a wireless POE work? It sends the power over wifi?

 

I think he got his terms mixed up, you can't do wireless PoE!

 

I'd go for Mobotix cameras. You can record to SD cards IN the camera and only use network bandwidth when you want to review the footage or back it up (over the internet or your network). The image quality is excellent and you can get day/night cameras too.

[RabbieBurns]

We've got a 10gb fiber network so the bandwidth isnt an issue. Need something a bit more professional than SD cards in cameras, needs to record to a server and have at least a fortnight of retention of recordings.

 

Ive got in contact with the Indigovision folk hopefully they will have a sydney presense. Was hoping someone from the UK schools who used them might frequent here or know of a school that did.

[ben604]

Mobotix offer, arguably, the best image quality of any CCTV solution on the market, they're absolutely professional. If you've got a 10gb fiber network, then send the recordings to a $5k storage server running the industry standard Milestone recording software and you'll still save $100k.

[plexer]

Milestone Essentials will cater for up to 26 cameras before you need to upgrade to one of their other versions.

 

We run it here with 17 cameras on a dell 1u rackmount with 1TB storage drive and that archives footage for 21 days we are going to be upgrading the storage though.

 

As it only records on movement what you store is a lot less.

 

Ben

[SpuffMonkey]

We've just had IndigoVision put in with about 70 cameras on it - it seems to be ok so far - but we haven't had any training yet - so am not using any of the features yet.

[RobFuller]

I use a 8TB QNAP surveillance box (QNAP Systems, Inc. ( Products - Surveillance ) - Quality Network Appliance Provider) for recording from 12 Axis HD camreas including audio, very impressed with image quality and most importantly, very easy to setup. All POE powered, got our local cabling company to install the cameras I just done the final tweaking, all in about 5k.

 

I have been looking at the Mobotix 180 degree cams's, is the image quality good then for people who have them setup?

 

Rob

[Jamman960]

We've gone for a QNAP system along with Sony SNC-DH160 cameras

[mb2k01]

We have just put in a Samsung solution called iPolis - see SAMSUNG TECHWIN CCTV

It's very good so far. All web-based linking back to a NVR.

As it's web based you can delegate responsibility and allow staff direct access if they need it.

[RabbieBurns]

We have just put in a Samsung solution called iPolis - see SAMSUNG TECHWIN CCTV

It's very good so far. All web-based linking back to a NVR.

As it's web based you can delegate responsibility and allow staff direct access if they need it.

 

Interesting, and they have a local Sydney partner as well which is a bonus. How many cameras / what kind of prices if you dont mind sharing?

[mb2k01]

Interesting, and they have a local Sydney partner as well which is a bonus. How many cameras / what kind of prices if you dont mind sharing?

 

We have about 25 cameras and 1 NVR.

Price is an interesting one - I designed the solution, but didn't have pricing(!)

It was part of a new school build where the M&E contractor had the original remit, before I pointed out we'd be better off with an IP based system rather than old style BNC stuff!

I believe the cameras were around 250-300 though. I'll do some more digging and confirm later

[RabbieBurns]

We've just had IndigoVision put in with about 70 cameras on it - it seems to be ok so far - but we haven't had any training yet - so am not using any of the features yet.

 

Any chance of divulging what kind of price range that setup has cost you please?

[RobFuller]

QNAP system is also web based though you do have to load a plug-in into the browser!

But what I most like is when our Head (yes it’s that easy) wants to save the video she’s found, the downloaded file is just a .wmv so no complicated codecs.

[Abaddon]

Milestone XProtect here, with AXIS cameras.. got around 70, all running on 21 days archiving, on two 4Tb arrays attached to the server(s). Good performance, easy interface. Should come in under your budget easily with only 20 cameras.

[tumbleweed]

Interestingly, how does a wireless POE work? It sends the power over wifi?

 

Obviously, same as Power Over Fibre ;-}

[Psymon]

I would like to recommend Milestone as well. Its completely vendor neutral and very easy to manage / set up. We use Bosch IP Day/Night cameras and they run at 540i and are PoE.

 

Simon

[plexer]

AirVision | Ubiquiti Networks, Inc. looks interesting.

 

Ben

[sturgeo]

Sorry for the thread divert but we currently have around 30 Mobotix cameras here, recording directly to 3 snap nas boxes.

All of this is done through the cameras settings, no additional software.

Due to the poor performance when retrieving footage using MxCC we are looking at Milestone & Mirasys to hopefully improve things.

 

With Milestone, instead of the camera recording/retrieving directly from the NAS boxes does the milestone software do this?

 

Thanks

John

[m25man]

The AirVision system is quite a revalation and extremely cost effective as HD Cameras go and as Im a Ubiquiti lover to you would expect me to say that.

But, like most things Ubiquiti what has been released so far still needs alot of refinement.

The Cameras are incredible and cheap but still 24v passive PoE. They have excellent Low light capabilities but no IR so you need to add night illumination and for 20+ cameras recording in 720p HD needs some serious back end computing power and storage if you intend to record much at these resolutions.

It's got huge potential but is going to take them a while to iron out the bugs and bring it to the masses.

 

Like the Mobotix solutions, HD CCTV brings with it other challenges, storage, processing and retrieving what you want from terabytes of data can be a real nightmare, so it still seems like we will be juggling with resolutions, NVR's and playback software for a few more years yet. Watch the demo Ubiquiti AirVision Demo - Streakwave.com - YouTube