Gibbo Posted July 18, 2011 Posted July 18, 2011 We got our EES through Luke and made him do all our running around to get bits and pieces pulled together (we had a few different agreements, etc etc and wanted them all in one place not scattered around). Same here, very good service and we've been with Viglen for many years. Normally I couldn't praise them highly enough but this year they dropped the ball. 1
Avalon Posted October 26, 2011 Posted October 26, 2011 just when you thought all EES questions had been answered! The FTE staff count consists of staff who work more than 200 hours per year. I have been told that this count only includes 'computer users' who are those members of staff who need a job to fulfil their role. So all teaching staff, headteacher, office based staff with their own computer, obviously automatically fall into this category. Staff who 'use the network to occasionally check their emails etc' do not have to be included. On this basis is it correct not to include TA's, catering and cleaning staff in the FTE count? Hope someone can clear this up for me ...
RTFM Posted October 26, 2011 Posted October 26, 2011 I was under the impression it includes anyone who 'uses a pc to do their job' so a cleaner wouldn't come under this but obviously an admin assistant would. We got Luke @Millgate to sort our EES so perhaps he can help?
Avalon Posted October 26, 2011 Posted October 26, 2011 It seems a bit vague as far as teaching assistants are concerned. They are obviously classroom based so do not have their own machines and will typically not use a computer other than to assist students, so I would argue that they should not be counted. This could make a massive difference to the FTE count in some schools though!
Millgate Posted October 26, 2011 Author Posted October 26, 2011 Hi there, FTE count is made up of: "Faculty" means any employees, contractors and volunteers who teach or preform research for Institution for more than 200 hours per annum and use an Institution Qualified Desktop "Staff" means any non faculty employees, contractors and volunteers who preform work for Institution for more than 200 hours per annum and use an Institution Qualified Desktop Hope this helps. Feel free to ask me any questions you have or for pricing Cheers
localzuk Posted October 26, 2011 Posted October 26, 2011 A further clarification - if the staff use a school owned computer at all, then they should be included. This was discussed at the Edugeek Microsoft Conference a while back. This wouldn't include catering staff though, if their only 'computer' use was using a till.
elsiegee40 Posted October 26, 2011 Posted October 26, 2011 It seems a bit vague as far as teaching assistants are concerned. They are obviously classroom based so do not have their own machines and will typically not use a computer other than to assist students, so I would argue that they should not be counted. This could make a massive difference to the FTE count in some schools though! As I understand it, assuming you have a policy of not sharing logins amongst your staff (and you should), you only count members of staff who have a login to a school computer and who work for 200 or more hours per year. The first bit is easy, as cleaners and catering assistants don't usually have logins, but the caretaker and Teaching Assistants usually do (even if they don't use them very often) The second bit is a pain. Angry Technician did the maths and worked out that 200 hours per year works out at 5 hours per week in term-time only and there are few people that have contracts for so little hours. We have loads of part-time staff, but they're all on around 15 hours per week. EES does not work for us because we're a staff heavy small school. We employ more people than we have computers!
CyberNerd Posted October 27, 2011 Posted October 27, 2011 This wouldn't include catering staff though, if their only 'computer' use was using a till. Does this mean that any single application use is ok, ie if staff just used either a web browser - or is there something specific in the licensing about tills?
localzuk Posted October 27, 2011 Posted October 27, 2011 Does this mean that any single application use is ok, ie if staff just used either a web browser - or is there something specific in the licensing about tills? I think you'd need to take this one up with Microsoft themselves, I just remember tills being brought up and being indicated as not being included. If it extends to other 'single use' devices, such as web browsing machines, I'd doubt as it'd open a door to allowing a school to basically create a bit of a big loophole by saying 'everything is web based, therefore they only use a web browser'...
Millgate Posted October 27, 2011 Author Posted October 27, 2011 If the till is using Windows embedded or similar it would not count as a ‘qualified desktop’ so no they would not be counted
john Posted October 28, 2011 Posted October 28, 2011 If the till is using Windows embedded or similar it would not count as a ‘qualified desktop’ so no they would not be counted That will also apply to tills running Microsoft POS Ready 2009 or 7 which are the newer version of Embedded often found on Tills
CyberNerd Posted October 29, 2011 Posted October 29, 2011 If the till is using Windows embedded or similar it would not count as a ‘qualified desktop’ so no they would not be counted That will also apply to tills running Microsoft POS Ready 2009 or 7 which are the newer version of Embedded often found on Tills Does a Linux, Mac or thin client count as a 'qualified desktop' ? Whats the definition they use?
elsiegee40 Posted October 29, 2011 Posted October 29, 2011 Does a Linux, Mac or thin client count as a 'qualified desktop' ? Whats the definition they use? Yes. If they are accessing windows server resources (AD, file shares) People are getting hung up on kit when what matters is people. As I understand it EES is intended to give you a quick head count of how many people can log on to a windows network. It doesn't matter what they are using to login. POS equipment has been excluded because all ypu can do with it is pay for food. If you can send email, access documents or the internet it qualifies. M$ have assumed we're all using Windows networks, so it really only requires a bit more thought if you aren't. EES is an alternative to Schools' Agreement, not a tax. If you could be using SA when purchasing, then EES can be considered. Getting it wrong by one or two people won't matter; staff come and go and change their hours. Get it wrong by 50 and you'll be in trouble potentially.
Sunderwood Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 I'm sorry if this has been asked already. In regards to the staff having access to the software at home once you have brought the licence. How do people police this? How do you make a member of staff uninstall the software? Do you get them to sign an agreement? or do you build it into the ICT AUP?
sted Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 if you use kms keys wont it stop working 6 months after it last checked in with your kms server?
Cache Posted November 16, 2011 Posted November 16, 2011 If it couldn't activate against the KMS after 6 months it would cease working until they brought it back in to activate it. Or are you wondering more about the Home Use Program (staff purchasing use on their own computers)?
Sunderwood Posted November 17, 2011 Posted November 17, 2011 Yes i was wondering about staff having access to the software at home. I was under the impression though that because we have purchased a licence for that staff member to use on their work machine that they were allowed to install that software on their home device for the duration of their employment.
Admiral208 Posted November 17, 2011 Posted November 17, 2011 I think I know the answer to this already but Im going to ask the question anyway. Does this include server OS'. If I buy into the scheme can I upgrade from 2003 to 2008
localzuk Posted November 17, 2011 Posted November 17, 2011 I think I know the answer to this already but Im going to ask the question anyway. Does this include server OS'. If I buy into the scheme can I upgrade from 2003 to 2008 You can get server OS's under the scheme, yes. Windows Server standard licenses are about £24 a piece, enterprise around £78 a piece and you can get datacentre too, but I've not had a need here yet so don't know the pricing.
Sunderwood Posted November 17, 2011 Posted November 17, 2011 Just reverting back to the work at home rights. I found this on the microsoft website.. So its seems i can give staff a copy of office for example for their desktop pc etc.. Education institutions that have acquired licences through Microsoft Academic Volume Licensing programs may grant their faculty and staff the right to use a second copy of a limited selection of products on either a home or portable computer for work-related purposes. The following is an overview of the Work At Home rights available through each of our academic volume licensing programmes. But my question is how do i know when they have uninstalled the software.??
localzuk Posted November 17, 2011 Posted November 17, 2011 Just get them to sign an agreement saying they have removed it.
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