Please Stop Crying. You're a Grown-Up and Should Know Better...

[tech_guy]

So what if the iPad doesn't have flash or Java?

 

I've been using an iPad for nearly a year now and it hasn't stopped me from using it as the brilliant tool that it is.

 

So stop crying and pull yourself together.

[Norphy]

k...

 

Was this meant as a reply to another post?

[witch]

I'm sure it is brilliant for an individual to use. But not on a network and not in a school

[Admiral208]

who are you trying to convice?? us or yourself??

[arwen]

Its pretty and nice to look at, but not productive in my eyes. I am not a fan of sore necks and one handed typing.

[jamesb]

I'm not crying about it, I just don't see the point in a £800 etchasketch. I'm sure it's great for those who like that sort of thing.

[JonWPS]

The iPad will surely be the cause of WWIII.

[sparkeh]

A device without Flash or Java sounds like heaven to me.

[jcollings]

I'm sure it is brilliant for an individual to use. But not on a network and not in a school

 

Sorry but that is simply not true. We have a number of SLT and most of my technical team with them (personal purchases not school). They are on the network happily. They use them extensivley for a variety of tasks and RDP into our terminal server for things like SIMS.

 

Granted there are issues with mass deployment etc. which need addressing but they certainly have place on a network and in school.

[Andrew_C]

I caught a TV ad for someone else's pad; maybe Samsung... The music behind it what the wholly forgettable Queen hit .... FLASH! Brilliant bit of digging the opposition.

[witch]

Sorry but that is simply not true. We have a number of SLT and most of my technical team with them (personal purchases not school). They are on the network happily. They use them extensivley for a variety of tasks and RDP into our terminal server for things like SIMS.

 

Granted there are issues with mass deployment etc. which need addressing but they certainly have place on a network and in school.

OK - I should have said "Not in MY schools" due to price, lack of flash and java which makes them pretty useless for the students and general use as a mass device

If people want to bring them in and access my network - virus issues aside - that is fine.

What tasks do your staff use them for then?

[plexer]

That'll be the Blackberry playbook advert.

 

Ben

[Disease]

I like to view 100% of the internet not just 30%.

[Disease]

Or,

 

I like to view the web the way the web designer intended, not the way Steve Jobs tells me.

 

I wonder what would be said if Microsoft had announced that tey were not allowing flash to be installed in windows, there would be outcries and lawsuits no doubt.

[Roberto]

Or,

 

I like to view the web the way the web designer intended, not the way Steve Jobs tells me.

 

So you presumably write to each web designer and ask them what monitor they were using & what it was set at in terms of brightness, colour temperature, resolution, etc; plus what browser and plugins they had, and so-on? Because if you don't do all that then you're not really seeing the site the way the designer intended...

 

I wonder what would be said if Microsoft had announced that tey were not allowing flash to be installed in windows, there would be outcries and lawsuits no doubt.

 

I don't think the new Windows phone runs flash, does it?

[damien.deakes]

Lots of headlines read

 

"IE9 on Windows Phone 7 is nearly there, but still lacks Flash ..."

 

Looks like MrGates is in on the act too... sorry flash fanboys....

[Disease]

So you presumably write to each web designer and ask them what monitor they were using & what it was set at in terms of brightness, colour temperature, resolution, etc; plus what browser and plugins they had, and so-on? Because if you don't do all that then you're not really seeing the site the way the designer intended...

 

Yes, yes I do.

Edited June 23, 2011 by Disease

[Hightower]

So you presumably write to each web designer and ask them what monitor they were using & what it was set at in terms of brightness, colour temperature, resolution, etc; plus what browser and plugins they had, and so-on? Because if you don't do all that then you're not really seeing the site the way the designer intended...

 

There's a big difference between what the web designer sees when he/she designs something, to what he/she intends you to see. For instance, if the website is designed on a 50" monitor does that mean I can't see it as the designer intended on my lowly 3" mobile? Not at all.

[Disease]

There's a big difference between what the web designer sees when he/she designs something, to what he/she intends you to see. For instance, if the website is designed on a 50" monitor does that mean I can't see it as the designer intended on my lowly 3" mobile? Not at all.

 

But if the designer intended you to view something in flash you won't be able to see it on an IPad, regradless of te monitor/Ipad size.

[Hightower]

But if the designer intended you to view something in flash you won't be able to see it on an IPad, regradless of te monitor/Ipad size.

 

You do realise we're agreeing on this right?

[TechMonkey]

Depends on whether using flash is appropriate or not. If he intends that I have to sit through an unskippable intro page of how great his client is I can manage with out that. If he uses flash so he can have a brilliant page turning animation then he can cram it. If he has a half decent brain in his body then he will use it to complement his design or add greater functionality that regresses gracefully if is not available. The great thing about having NoScript is you get to see if a site was designed well or not by how long it takes me to need to add an exception for flash or some javascript addition. The better sites I see I can get everything fine with a little message telling me that I flash would make my life complete. I then allow it just to see what I am missing and find I wasn't missing anything.

 

& only 30% of the web available? Really. Considering 66% of flash videos are now also available as H.264 I find this stat dubious.

[Slync]

What is very interesting is the replacements for Flash that are out there.

 

I genuinely expect that over the next year or two, flash will steadily be replaced by HTML5 Video and animations.

 

There's already an HTML5 version of YouTube, and if you Google CSS3 Spider Man, the first result is a complete animation (first post so I can't link to it! :@ ) with no embedded video and absolutely no Flash. It's a heck of a lot more lightweight and nicer to the browser than a big clunky flash player too.

 

In my opinion, I think Flash's days are numbered online.

[rdk]

That CSS3 Spiderman played fine on Firefox on an iMac. On my iPad, animation fine with Atomic Browser, but no sound. Usng Safari on iPad animation very jerky and missing frames, and no sound. But shows that we'll be there soon.