HodgeHi Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 You wouldn't put a steering wheel on a bicycle... I saw a bicycle with a steering wheel. It did look funny.
CyberNerd Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 Why do we want a single interface type across touchscreen devices and normal desktops? You wouldn't put a steering wheel on a bicycle, so why a touchscreen interface on a desktop? They just need to keep up with ubuntu.
jinnantonnixx Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 They just need to keep up with ubuntu. But the screen is green (not purple) and the icons are on the right (not the left), so it's not like Unity / Gnome 3 at all.
jinnantonnixx Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 Still not getting it. Why would you want your entire screen to be taken over to do a search? Spotlight in OS X has a search box which does all that sorta stuff, but your screen stays normal, as does Windows Vista/7, as does Linux (through various packages), as does my XP system with a program installed. I just don't get it still. Why do we want a single interface type across touchscreen devices and normal desktops? You wouldn't put a steering wheel on a bicycle, so why a touchscreen interface on a desktop? I violently agree. The way the screens flick back and for looks like a schizophrenic operating system. I do hope some consistency is planned.
Arthur Posted February 7, 2012 Posted February 7, 2012 2000 was a server OS your honour! 2000 Pro was a client OS. I had it installed on my home computer, because it was far better than the alternative (Windows ME).
nyiss Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 I’m going to hold full judgement until I have tried it out properly but from what I have seen so far its pretty good, not amazing but good. I get the appeal of the new UI but I just feel as if I have seen it all before. Its so heavily app- focused which is great for everyday use but not so good if you want a bit more from your OS. Seems sort of like the windows 7 sidebar gadgets have just been redrawn and plopped into the center of the screen. They were handy at first but then i started to hate them and hid them all so I probably wont like the UI boxes either. I am glad to see they finally did something visually differentthough. But for me personally the design is really not to my taste. It seems to be aimed at teenage girls but if the level of customisation is good enough to make it slicker then I can see myself using it...maybe.
sparkeh Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 This article sums it up for me really: Metro breakdown! Windows 8 UI is little gain for lots of pain ? The Register
zag Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 Another good news article here. At least the gaurdian gets it That Windows 8 experience? Confusing. Confusing as hell
jinnantonnixx Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 That's a scathing review. But that's what you get when you look behind the curtain, eh Toto?
RabbieBurns Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 Another good news article here. At least the gaurdian gets it That Windows 8 experience? Confusing. Confusing as hell the first line of that article says Plus you can't join a device to a domain? Whose idea was that? which is not true. Im using this laptop with windows 8 joined to the domain. And Ive joined a tablet too..
localzuk Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 the first line of that article says which is not true. Im using this laptop with windows 8 joined to the domain. And Ive joined a tablet too.. He didn't explain it particularly well - WOA can't be joined to a domain - ie. Arm based Windows machines. 1
jinnantonnixx Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 the first line of that article says which is not true. Im using this laptop with windows 8 joined to the domain. And Ive joined a tablet too.. They're talking about Windows on Arm devices (the headline misses that important bit). So there's no compelling reason to get a W8 arm tablet above an Android or iPad, as you will not have domain control over the devices. Hmmm.
CHR1S Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 First impressions... do not want! As a UI experiment for a much better OS, yes I can see it, but as a whole OS with a sort of desktop back end, it fails!! The desktop OS as we know it has reached a fork in the road, seems like MS wanted to group DT and Mobile into one when all its done is create more fragmentation.
CHR1S Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 Interestingly, the "metro" IE wont load pages but if you open it on the desktop it loads fine.
Arthur Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 2-for-1: Can Windows 8 satisfy both the desktop and the tablet? « Ars Technica Microsoft has achieved what it set out to achieve. There are some issues to be taken care of, and I hope that Microsoft addresses them before finalizing the product. But Windows 8 is a true tablet operating system and a true PC operating system all in one. It's an interface that is comfortable and fluent on touch-based tablets, and effective and capable with the mouse and keyboard. This isn't enough to take on Android tablets or the iPad, because an operating system alone cannot do that. Microsoft needs high quality hardware from its OEMs, and it needs strong support from its ISVs. Microsoft has done its part. The rest is up to its partners.
sonofsanta Posted March 5, 2012 Posted March 5, 2012 Not having WOA able to join a domain is the most idiotic move they could have made. Executives want shiny toys, so right now they want tablets. IT Support want to be able to mitigate the damage the execs can do and control the device. iPads and Android cannot do this. Windows can do this. Windows is now being made for a tablet. Except... oh dear, we've messed it up, and created another Mobile 7 situation for ourself where there is no good reason for anyone to switch from the entrenched competitors. The only hope is that Intel are finally getting their act together wrt low-power x86, but I imagine that the WOA version is streamlined for mobile devices and will run much faster than fullfat Win8 will on an x86 tablet of comparable power. Such a missed opportunity, I genuinely cannot believe they missed it. Morons. 3
sonofsanta Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 Update: there will be some management capabilities for Windows RT, albeit not full AD. Still, as that article says, it doesn't properly meet the needs of a network environment, certainly not of schools - it's very much at the control of the user and more about making applications available for a user to install. It'll be interesting to see there reasoning for not just doing it right in the first place. Does AD put that much of an overhead on the client?
SYNACK Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 Update: there will be some management capabilities for Windows RT, albeit not full AD. Still, as that article says, it doesn't properly meet the needs of a network environment, certainly not of schools - it's very much at the control of the user and more about making applications available for a user to install. It'll be interesting to see there reasoning for not just doing it right in the first place. Does AD put that much of an overhead on the client? Given the way they do it, kinda. Its like putting a straightjacket on a racehorse. Tonnes of stuff points back to a network system for authentication checks - there is caching but not fully. The policies are registry fragments that are tattooed on to the registry each time which can be very inefficient. Although things are async in some cases other stuff like software installation are all syncronis meaning that it stops everything and only does that at the time stopping everything else. None of this is really great for an instant on user experience, all is stuff they could fix and should have fixed for the desktop versions but still have not bothered to and stuff like their abandonment of the MSI format in their new products does not paint a good picture. 1
chazzy2501 Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 I'm almost certain I'll not be moving to Windows 8. I'll hold out on Windows 7 until it's not supported or Windows MMXX comes out.
localzuk Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 We're planning our migration to Windows 7 here... So Windows 8 doesn't have a chance!
Gibson335 Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 We're planning our migration to Windows 7 here... So Windows 8 doesn't have a chance! Ditto!
SYNACK Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 We're planning our migration to Windows 7 here... So Windows 8 doesn't have a chance! We've been Windows 7 for years, we'll go 8 if it provides a benifit or at least no signifigant downside. It has way better memory managment and stuff so it should actually provide a performance benifit but if the UI proves to be too much of a hassle then it may get religated to the X lab - experimental - and not make it out to the rest of the network. Server 8 and its new Hyper-V might be good but again relies on very specific hardware extentions in the CPU, none of which our hardware supports meaning that it is mostly pointless unless we go W8. TBH we will probably end up on W8 but I don't see a great rush as there appears to be a huge downside that would need to be balanced out. I still blame Apple, all this idiotifying of the UI is in an attempt to capture the Apple market momentum with the consumer, where any more than one button is to complex and features must be hidden or removed. Maybe society at a whole is to blame for buying into the glorification of stupidity, this is what the new UI reflects when used as a desktop solution.
CHR1S Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 I'm going to do something out of character here and defend Apple! Apple gear has kick started a change, for better or worse. Apple gear outside of a corp/edu environment just works, and I like that a lot. My mom and dad can pick up an iPad and do wonders with it with little to no training or support. Now MS with 8 had the perfect opportunity to take the friendly UI just works approach of Apple and add the Windows management and deployment side to it. MS' failure is no fault of Apple, they just started the movement.
SYNACK Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 Apple gear has kick started a change, for better or worse. Apple gear outside of a corp/edu environment just works, and I like that a lot. Really, then why are their Apple support forums and Apple genises? They may work fine for specific use cases most of the time but outside that limited sphere the simplification hits the fan. Same deal with Windows 8. Besides, I place more blame on society, why should anyone be able to do anything more complicated than share a photo on facebook anyway. Its not like knowledge matters anymore, everyone should just be quiet and consume their media politely least the rulers become displeased and start curtailing the stream of reality TV to the masses.
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