Zorba Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 Hi All, I am an NM in a smallish secondary school 750 students. I have been in post coming up to 3 years. When I arrived we were running one server. I have very quickly expanded on this and we now have two DC's, File Server, Exchange Server, Web Server (Centos 5 , Edugeek Joomla pack thankyou), Reporting Server (TeAM), ISA Server, VLE (Centos 5 & StudyWiz). We run PCE, WSUS and EPO and have now Virtualised SIMS. We have 75 student laptops approx 100 staff laptops and 360 curriculim desktops and 20 admin machines. Until last year I had 1 Tech (muppet) who we have now replaced with an excellent chap. I go to work each day and feel like I am drowning.When I think about all the things I should be doing regarding documentation etc I realise I am not cutting the mustard. There just never seems to be the time to sit down and plan and document. We need a server we install it, plan to document and it never happens. It now feels like I am more technician than NM and the two of us seem to be running round firefighting, assisting in classrooms, repairing vandalised kit etc. We constantly have approx 40 tickets on the helpdesk and just never reach the bottom of the pile before we get another 40. I end up doing things like the web site and server updates etc from home where I can concentrate and work without interruption. I am just not enjoying it like I used to and am feeling rather stressed which results in me being tetchy and sometimes abrupt with staff when they come to me with more trivia. I know I am not alone in having such a small team. So how do you cope? PS The reason I have the time to do this is I have the day off today as I have annual leave to use as I always seem to have projects on in the school holidays. First thing I did when I got up this morning was update the web site! 1
tmcd35 Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 Have you told your line manager this? It sounds to me as if you probably need another techie, even if it's only part time. Do you use a helpdesk system or spreadsheet to track the firefighting/work you are getting tied up doing? If so, if it were me, I'd arrange a meeting with my line manager and show him a print out. We're almost the same size here - about 850 students - and I have 1.5 techies. To be honest we've been very quiet of late so plenty of time for documentation and, er, Edugeek posts
tommccann Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 i would speak to the head, and explain your stretched and a part time techie would really lighten the load, then just allocate an hour or two to document if the tickets dont get done so be it. people will get annoyed and go above your head to complain, but with you speaking to the head first you may get another techie
dwhyte85 Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 (edited) When I first started I felt like I was drowning... the sheer amount of work to do and the catching up that was needed. I think firstly, ironing out my LMs expectations and meeting them was the first goal - I explained the current situation wasn't great and that I could only hit one area at a time, we just don't have the manpower to get everything done at once. I do spend alot of time doing things at home I don't have time to do in the day but I have confidence in my fellow techs, I can delegate tasks knowing they will get done. Maybe you can start to delegate to your tech? I understand you don't have huge amounts of time but if it's a means to an end maybe he'll put in a few extra hours, I know alot of people on here will argue that you shouldn't bother giving time outside of work but I disagree if it makes your life easier in the long run. Since i've started we've 'fixed' alot and got a lot done, I couldn't have done it on my own - had to get the techs in that frame of mind, they were fed-up because it was a situation like yours. Wouldn't say you're rubbish... you feel threatened and you're worried - i'd imagine most NMs are a little bit worried at least - I know I am most of the time! If you have a continual amount of tickets... has to be a reason for the tickets - see whether documentation given to staff in the first instance to help or whether a solution at your end could stop these tickets? Checking for trends in your tickets can help... e.g., if one person complains YouTube needs the newer Adobe plug-in... you can guess that the rest of the staff will soon ask. Edited March 26, 2010 by dwhyte85
Tricky_Dicky Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 I've got 740 children here and only me. However I don't have the amount of servers that you seem to have. What gets me is that I seem to come up with some good ideas that could more IT forward within the school but never have the time to implement it. Regards the helpdesk tickets; sometime you just have to say No. Keep your chin up, it will get better Rich
u8dmtm Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 My advice is to give yourself a break, prioritise, realise that you can only do so much in a days work and make time outside work for other interests. If lower priority tasks don't get done then it is not the end of the world and at least you will then have a case for more manpower.
Jawloms Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 We have pretty much the same amount of stuff/people to support as you and we have a network manager and two techies and it's manageable. If your school decide they can't afford a full time techie, we had an apprentice for a year and he was brilliant! Can't complain at £95 per week and he/she is easier to get rid of if they're not pulling their weight.
Zorba Posted March 26, 2010 Author Posted March 26, 2010 Hi TMCD35, We use Spiceworks for our helpdesk and works well. I have mentioned although not officially (CPD not good here) that we are stretched. A lot of issues we have are supporting staff both teachers and admin. Many staff are in need of training but we don't have the time and many just are not interested anyway as it is much easier to ask us to do it. Why do schools employ people in admin who do not have basic computer skills? Feeling a bit disaffected and un-appreciated. Not sure what to say to line manager as money is tight and last year there were redundancies. I do not want to sound like I am whining although when I read this post back I am whining!
gibbo_ap Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 i found the way to do the jobs that dont get done is.... just do them... tell them you need more staff from the start. if other stuff suffers then the head & line manager will notice and say why this and why that and just explain that the stuff you are doing NEEDS to be done and that you told them you need more staff but the school is now - less liable to get fined for licening issues as you have sorted that have a faster network as you have sorted servers out has a red bus policy incase the worst happens all backup are running properly as there was an issue have laid down a 5 year dev plan which will help the school save money and plan blah blah
somabc Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 (edited) I'm pretty sure it's not that your rubbish! I think 40 tickets is too many though so you have to look at your systems and where the problems are arising. Can you lock down the staff/student desktops more so they can't break anything. Have you automated your deployments so that you can easily rebuild in the event of problems? Consider using Windows Steady State or Deepfreeze so that a reboot will fix most issues. The best time to sort things like this out is during the holidays but you should feel free to take a step back and put your tech on fire fighting duty for a while you do some planning. Edited March 26, 2010 by somabc
Zorba Posted March 26, 2010 Author Posted March 26, 2010 Hi somabc, PC's are locked down tighter than a gnats chuff. I think we are just too helpful and I should say no more often. We end up burning CD's downloading photos off staff cameras setting up projectors in rooms due to timetable c$%&ups at the last minute etc. We log eveyrthing no matter how trivial so we have a record on the help desk. We have one teacher who will raise 3 tickets minimum every day, title "PC not working". It will invaribly be switched off at the mains or some little darling will have unplugged the network cable, but no matter how many times we show her how to remedy these simple things she just refuses to do it herself. I am sure you have all got one of these. On of the issue we do have is staff laptops on which we were forced to give admin rights, the agreement being that we could bill staff £30.00 to put right any fault that had been caused by them downloading virus/trojan etc by using P2P software or questionable surfing habits. Yet to have a bill payed and they wont let us remove admin rights. Roll on BSF!
sippo Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 I would just prioritise the jobs as you think fit, but remember you cannot keep everyone happy all of the time. No job is worth getting ill over.
TechMonkey Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 I would say you need another tech then. We were the same, a NM & me as a tech. The NM was doing techie stuff as well & if I do say so myself the network & services were good to great. But we were treading water & not moving on. Since getting another tech we have slowly been catching up, getting documentation, policies & plans sorted & are hoping to get round to future plans soon. One school I know managed to create more time by instead of hiring a tech hiring an admin assistant. That way they had someone to sort all the paperwork side, helpdesk entries, phone answering type stuff, leaving the NM & tech to get on with teh techie stuff.
alunmjones Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 We have 850 kids, less servers, we only have 5 and about 500 machines around the school (laptops and PC's), there are two of us at the moment, there getting rid of one of us at the start of summer, its buisy enough as it is, its going to be hecktick for whoever stays.
maniac Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 Oh boy do I know how you feel. We're quite a small school with regards to staff and students, but we have more Devices than a lot of larger schools I know of - over 600 end user devices and 11 servers. I had a team of two techs and myself as network manager until October, when one of my Techs left. It's now just me and my one remaining tech, and I am effectively now a glorified technician as in order to keep up it's necessary to do this. This means that virtually any documentation or admin tasks have gone out the window since October e.g I recently got asked for an up-to-date asset register, but that's not been updated since the 2nd tech left. I'm supposed to be responsible for the website and the Learning platform, which I enjoy doing, but never get the time to devote to them and a million and one other things. At the end of the day thou you can't perform miracles, you make a choise either way - either the end users suffer a little so you get the time to do the jobs you need to do, or the admin and documentation suffer in order to please end users, but it's virtually impossible to do both in the position you're in. I try my best not to get too stressed as there's only so much you can do, and I find regular E-mails to senior management to make them aware of your workload are quite effective, and refering any complaints you get regarding quality of service to senior management works as well. As long as you're doing you best, you can't do more than that! Mike.
36Degrees Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 I should say no more often. Definitely, just make sure you explain that you are snowed under so they don't think you are just getting belligerent. Perhaps explain in a polite but firm way to the one who refuses to do anything that she needs to follow the simple trouble shooting steps herself. If she doesn't then take slightly longer each time to respond and then make it obvious just how quickly she would have got the system working if she had done that first. Also lay on the "that's no problem" more thickly if it wasn't something she would be reasonably expected to resolve herself. We end up burning CD's downloading photos off staff cameras setting up projectors in rooms due to timetable c$%&ups at the last minute etc. Along the lines of the above, perhaps send an email to all staff informing them that as you are so busy certain requests will in future be refused. Show staff how to burn CDs, get pictures off cameras, etc. And to answer your question, no you're not rubbish. You just need to prioritise, be less helpful and make sure everyone is informed appropriately just why you are doing so.
maark Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 Hi somabc, PC's are locked down tighter than a gnats chuff. I think we are just too helpful and I should say no more often. We end up burning CD's downloading photos off staff cameras setting up projectors in rooms due to timetable c$%&ups at the last minute etc. Are there any other techs in departments? Any admin staff? Get someone else to setup projectors. Setup someone else with a cd burner. Another idea - make sure you get equipment with long onsite warranties - you can then call them out to fix projectors/pcs. Hope you get it sorted - been in similar situation after consultants came into a previous school and wrecked everyhing Mark
dayzd Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 Feeling a bit disaffected and un-appreciated. That's the Technician Condition, isn't it (a la the 'human condition'). Especially in schools. I think we are just too helpful and I should say no more often. We end up burning CD's downloading photos off staff cameras We're a little bit like that at our place, but we're getting better at saying no when we're busy. As has been commented on already, this is definitely the kind of stuff you should be saying no to. Departments have DAs for this kind of thing, and if they don't know how to do it, show them or point them to a decent tutorial on the web. When you're overloaded as you are, you can't be expected to be a dogsbody to people who should be able to do these things themselves - and would if they didn't think they could get away with palming it off onto you.
u8dmtm Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 I know it's hard to get agreement on but one thing that may really help those who feel snowed under is to agree internal service level agreements with your SMT. It worked for us a while back and now we can provide a service catalogue so that everyone knows what to expect. It doesn't of course stop those who thing they are the exception but it does formalise what's expected of you.
BJG Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 (edited) I think we are just too helpful and I should say no more often. We end up burning CD's downloading photos off staff cameras setting up projectors in rooms... Sounds like you simply don't have time for this kind of stuff. I would show people how to do things the first time, and then leave them to it. 1st priority has to be technical support, not admin - you can't let yourself get roped into doing other people's jobs for them. Concentrate on advice and instruction in the first instance, only do stuff yourself if you have to. Whenever people used to ask me to do something, I always replied with: "I'll show you how to do it..." (All this is easier said than done...I should apply it more myself...) Edited March 26, 2010 by BJG
Zorba Posted March 26, 2010 Author Posted March 26, 2010 Thanks for taking the time to reply everyone. I guess I knew most of the answers already but nice to have a vent and get others views. Just need to bite the bullet and practice saying Nnnn Nnnnn Nnnn oh bu99er.
dayzd Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 I guess I knew most of the answers already I think everyone has this when they're stressed/angry/overworked etc... I know I do, I just seem to need others to reiterate it back to me every now and then before I'll calm down and do something about it!
Gibson335 Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 You might point them to BECTA and their opinion that even on a new network a ratio of 1 to 150 computers is appropriate. Not sure how many schools are that fortunate, but certainly I think you need one more technician to make sure you providing the best support possible.
speckytecky Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 Thanks for starting this very useful thread Zorba, I tried to kick off the debate we are having here with another thread a few months ago but by not posing the question as well as you have it died in the water. One school I try and look after is a Emotionaly Disturbed Boys secondary level school that has over a 100 computers. I'm there a day a week but could easily spend my life there just trying to keep up to date - let alone making any progress:eek: It's the way ICT in schools is going, heck of an expansion and expectation change in just over 5 years. To me it seems like no one up the top in Education (Ministerial level and a few floors downward) has an understanding of how things have changed, expectations or how to get the job done. I think it's us folk on the ground who now need to be sending the message up that to give schools proper ICT and proper ICT support is a whole new ball game nowadays. I sent a message to BECTA about this earlier this week and if and when I get an answer I'll post it up here.
ljlbray Posted March 26, 2010 Posted March 26, 2010 with regards to the vandalism side, have you considered putting in cameras? I know that's a task on top of everything else, but if really does seem to sort out that side of things, I know that at my old school we were spending roughly £300 a week on replacement mice and keyboards at one point, that soon stopped when the CCTV went in, leaving us to concentrate on the more pressing issues.
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