Bye Bye Windows 7

[mattx]

Just about to remove this OS from one of my PCs.

It does not see my HP LaserJet 1022 or my Canon Lide 50, or my basic Intel GX Chipset. These devices are only 3 to 4 years old so it can go as far as I am concerned.

The OS grinds to a halt after a few hours use anyway, even with 2 gig of Ram in the PC. Yet another MS pile of poo.

I'll go with a flavour of nix I think.

 

Post edited by Dos_Box due to innapropriate language!

Edited October 18, 2009 by Dos_Box

[tech_guy]

I've had this with two Tosh laptops at home - both diff spec and only a couple of years old. Fine to begin with, they gradually run slower and slower. Booting takes an age. All they've got on them is Windows 7 - I've installed diddly-squat else on them.

[localzuk]

Now that I've been using Win 7 on my home PC's for a month, I can say it is very random! On my older, cheaper, slower machine, with less RAM and generally older parts, Win 7 flies along. Startup is speedy and issues are non-existent.

 

On my 1 1/2 year old MacBook Pro though, startup takes ages, and stability is a little less good. The CPU is orders of magnitude faster, it has more memory and is all round a better computer (except the graphics card).

 

Still, I prefer it to XP I have to say.

[Dos_Box]

I've nothing but praise for it. From 1.6 Atoms with 4GB RAM to my i7 950 beast and a couple of Core 2 laptops, and so far I'm very, very impressed!

[mattx]

It does make me laugh when you have gigs and gigs of ram just to run an OS.......

Bleeding daft.

[tech_guy]

I'm running Vista Ultimate on my Samsung NC10 and it's sweet.

[cookie_monster]

I've been running the RC pretty much since it was released on my NC10 (1Gb RAM at first)and it's fine I haven't noticed any slowdown. Startup is slightly slower than XP but I usually have it in sleep mode so it turns on in about 3 seconds. I also have it on my work desktop which is an Intel Mobo and has 1Gb RAM also with out issue.

 

I'm sure there is hardware out there that it will have problems with, this will always be an issue when supporting such a diverse range of hardware not to mention quite often it's not Windows that's at fault it's naff drivers.

[Michael]

It does raise a few questions as to why some users experience randomness. Drivers can make a big difference, but put it this way, I won't be putting it into network production for at least another year, irrelevant how perfect Microsoft think it is.

It's about this time frame with any new big OS release that software updates and drivers are made available for 'official' compatibility.

[t_h]

Been running the RC for months with 2GB RAM and hasn't skipped a beat.

[SC-UK]

I'm running x64 RTM on a Core2Duo 2.0Ghz with 2Gb RAM laptop - and apart from hating Win7 at first, it runs like a dream and I am more impressed every day!

[HodgeHi]

My brothers just finished installing win 7 on an HP with 8GB ram. Win 7 64bit edition ultimate. It also the p8700? core 2 duo processor @ 2.53 i think it was. He did a comparison of this boot up to login against his first gen macbook pro running 10.6. The win 7 went through the bios post and got to the logo appearing before the macbook's apple logo appeared.

 

But he managed to log onto the macbook pro before the login prompt appeared on the win 7 .

 

I know this doesn't mean much but one thing that struck me as being slightly poor is the fact that the snow leopard was an upgrade install from 10.5, and all his settings, apps and crap was still there. Yes, you could argue that it had perhaps cached most of the info, but the amount of times the win 7 laptop had restarted, that should have cached some stuff too.

 

Poor comparison, i dunno but in sheer performance the HP win 7 laptop should have beaten it hands down.

[ajbritton]

Running the RC on an old Dell Latitude D600 (Pentium M 1.3GHz with 512MB RAM). I only really use this machine for Internet and Chrome is my browser of choice, but I frequently have many instances open. It's also running MS Security Essentials and I've got Open Office 3 as well. Sure it's no speed demon, but I don't recall a single crash and it's only become unresponsive when seriously overloaded.

 

Love it.

 

edit: I should point out that I obviously don't get any fancy Aero features but never having used Vista I'm not missing anything.

Edited October 18, 2009 by ajbritton

[Simcfc73]

Running the RC from Day 1 on my Lenovo R61 and it runs beautifully.

 

I reckon some people just like nix too much and are willing the thing to fail.

[cookie_monster]

It does raise a few questions as to why some users experience randomness. Drivers can make a big difference, but put it this way, I won't be putting it into network production for at least another year, irrelevant how perfect Microsoft think it is.

It's about this time frame with any new big OS release that software updates and drivers are made available for 'official' compatibility.

 

 

I agree I won't be putting it into production yet but as it's largely a refined Vista I don't think too many surprises will emerge, most software is written with UAC in mind now and as NT compatible apps should always of been which solves most problems. I do think that 7 will go on to be one of the best versions of Windows since NT4 Workstation (well with SP 6a anyway).

Edited October 18, 2009 by cookie_monster

[teejay]

If you have intel graphics, download the drivers off the intel website rather than the ones through windows update, fixes all sorts of problems, especially on older machines.

[cookie_monster]

If you have intel graphics, download the drivers off the intel website rather than the ones through windows update, fixes all sorts of problems, especially on older machines.

 

Yeh they're probably newer releases than the ones on windows update but the win update ones should be logo tested so they should be good.

[ajbritton]

Have to say that I worry about XP mode though. How many software houses will use this as an excuse not to update their software to work properley on Vista/7?

 

I get the impression that Microsoft engineers consider XP mode as a last ditch method to run legacy apps (with the app compat toolkit to be used first), but I think that the money savings from not having to spend time testing/redeveloping applications to work properly will be just too tempting. Arguably, most end users won't care how it works, as long as it does. End result is that you have two OS's per PC to support.

 

Security in 7 might be better that XP but if you than have to run XP to support some apps as well, then how good is the insulation between the VM and the host and hardware? What new vulnerabilities can we expect. Until now, I doubt if much malware is seeking to exploit any VM weaknesses but if usage becomes more widespread then you can bet that will change.

 

It really bugs me that software developers should have 'known' how to do it right for the best part of a decade and yet they still do stupid things like writing to HKLM or %ProgramFiles%.

[Arcath]

Ive been using Win7 on my home machine (4GB Ram, Athlon x2 6000 black, ATI 4850 1GB) and its been very good, it hasnt had any problems with anything ive asked it to do and it plays all my games no problems (even the old DOS ones i brought off steam)

[mac_shinobi]

Just about to remove this OS from one of my PCs.

It does not see my HP LaserJet 1022 or my Canon Lide 50, or my basic Intel GX Chipset. These devices are only 3 to 4 years old so it can go as far as I am concerned.

The OS grinds to a halt after a few hours use anyway, even with 2 gig of Ram in the PC. Yet another MS pile of poo.

I'll go with a flavour of nix I think.

 

Post edited by Dos_Box due to innapropriate language!

 

Not to start a flame war ( just a simple comment - tongue in cheek style ) but been using my 2008 Mac Pro and have snow leopard on it all updated and I have not lost any data nor have I had issues with it - haven't tried re adding my printer though which is out of ink for the time being so pointless in adding it just yet ( so time will tell how that goes )

 

I had a little play with windows 7 and it was ok but I wasn't overly impressed with it

[localzuk]

It does make me laugh when you have gigs and gigs of ram just to run an OS.......

Bleeding daft.

 

Yes, because "640K ought to be enough for anybody."

 

4GB may sound like a lot of memory, if you've been in the industry for a while, but considering memory is so cheap I don't see the issue.

[rad]

I ran the beta and didn;t have a problem, that was about to expire so I downloaded the RC, had nothing but issues so back to Vista at the moment. Then again, Firefox is crashing at the moment so back to the restore disks again.....

[Guest theeldergeek]

Yes, because "640K ought to be enough for anybody."

 

4GB may sound like a lot of memory, if you've been in the industry for a while, but considering memory is so cheap I don't see the issue.

 

Me neither. I don't run 4GB of RAM just for the OS either; I run 4GB of RAM for the video editing apps I use!

[cookie_monster]

I ran the beta and didn;t have a problem, that was about to expire so I downloaded the RC, had nothing but issues so back to Vista at the moment. Then again, Firefox is crashing at the moment so back to the restore disks again.....

 

What issues are you having?

 

TBH you have to expect some issues when using software that hasn't even been released yet, once 7 is available most software houses will release a 'tested' version for 7.

[teejay]

Yeh they're probably newer releases than the ones on windows update but the win update ones should be logo tested so they should be good.

 

That's the problem, they're not any good. Constant graphics glitches, slowdowns and crashes. It depends on which Intel chipset you have, but on testing we've found quite a few affected.

[cookie_monster]

Originally Posted by mattx

It does make me laugh when you have gigs and gigs of ram just to run an OS.......

Bleeding daft.

 

Windows 7 will run ok on 512Mb and perfectly fine on 1Gb the users reporting issues on dual core systems with 4Gb of RAM are suffering from other issues, Windows 7 does not need 4Gb of RAM just to run.