Liliy Allen has a go at older artists

[Guest Guest]

Thank you localzuk, and since when is sexually juvenile?

[mattx]

This sums it up for me:

[ Warning - there is one rude word in it ]

 

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HL9-esIM2CY]YouTube - Dan Bull - Dear Lily[/ame]

[witch]

The only response to such a comment has been repeated many times on this site - if you don't want to hear such things, don't read them. Simple really. None of us have to justify ourselves for our comments, if you don't like them, so be it. A discussion has been had about copyright, the same old arguments are brought out about it and we end up in the same non-conclusion as has happened on every site across the web that has similar discussions - both sides can't come to any agreement.

 

What some of us try to do is segway the conversation into something else simply to prevent the discussion becoming the inevitable flamewar. So people lose interest rather than people getting upset.

 

Maybe, but commenting on someone's looks when the OP wasn't anything to do with it is a bit of an odd segue to me. OK, I know that young men make comments about the way women look but it isn't the sort of thing I (and no doubt the other females on this site) really want to read about. You are perhaps just starting another flame war - and you said that people would lose interest rather than getting upset - well, not if they are female they won't!

 

Can I ask - how do I find out that I find a comment offensive without reading it?

Edited September 26, 2009 by witch

[Simcfc73]

usual suspects taking stuff too seriously. quel suprise.

 

She is fit though.

[Guest Guest]

Maybe, but commenting on someone's looks when the OP wasn't anything to do with it is a bit of an odd segue to me. OK, I know that young men make comments about the way women look but it isn't the sort of thing I (and no doubt the other females on this site) really want to read about. You are perhaps just starting another flame war - and you said that people would lose interest rather than getting upset - well, not if they are female they won't!

 

Can I ask - how do I find out that I find a comment offensive without reading it?

 

lmao Feeling abit insecure about something? Sorry love but thats not our fault, and i really dont see how you are in a position to speak for all women.

Edited September 26, 2009 by Guest

[localzuk]

Maybe, but commenting on someone's looks when the OP wasn't anything to do with it is a bit of an odd segue to me. OK, I know that young men make comments about the way women look but it isn't the sort of thing I (and no doubt the other females on this site) really want to read about. You are perhaps just starting another flame war - and you said that people would lose interest rather than getting upset - well, not if they are female they won't!

 

Can I ask - how do I find out that I find a comment offensive without reading it?

 

Sorry but since when are comments about finding someone attractive offensive? Sexuality is never an offensive thing to me, and I find it offensive when people try to suppress such discussions. One of the things about feminism is getting past the idea that such things can't be talked about!

 

Also, an important part of our society is that it is not wrong to be offensive - there are no laws against such things for example.

 

So, the way people deal with offensive things is to either ignore them, or to make noise about it. You've decided to make noise about it, and I've responded pointing out how pointless that is.

 

If you find discussions about women's looks offensive that's up to you, but there is no need to take that out on us.

[witch]

Oh please, now who's getting all serious?

My original point was that the thread wasn't about Lily Allen's looks, but rather about what she said- and it was a bit sad that you drifted off into personal remarks when the discussion was on a different point all together.

Comments on her attractiveness are one thing,and are not a problem at all, but picking her up on minor 'figure-faults' is what irritated me - unless of course you lot are perfect looking?

As for being insecure about anything - don't think so.

I didn't speak for all women either

I obviously didnt explain myself properly and for that I apologise

[mac_shinobi]

lol well shes fitter than you dude lol:p

 

That's not exactly hard to beat lol, no offence to Domino

 

Oh please, now who's getting all serious?

My original point was that the thread wasn't about Lily Allen's looks, but rather about what she said- and it was a bit sad that you drifted off into personal remarks when the discussion was on a different point all together.

Comments on her attractiveness are one thing,and are not a problem at all, but picking her up on minor 'figure-faults' is what irritated me - unless of course you lot are perfect looking?

As for being insecure about anything - don't think so.

I didn't speak for all women either

I obviously didnt explain myself properly and for that I apologise

 

Of course we are all perfect looking - thats one of the requirements to be a member of edugeek !!!

 

Just Kidding !!!

[localzuk]

Oh please, now who's getting all serious?

My original point was that the thread wasn't about Lily Allen's looks, but rather about what she said- and it was a bit sad that you drifted off into personal remarks when the discussion was on a different point all together.

Comments on her attractiveness are one thing,and are not a problem at all, but picking her up on minor 'figure-faults' is what irritated me - unless of course you lot are perfect looking?

As for being insecure about anything - don't think so.

I didn't speak for all women either

I obviously didnt explain myself properly and for that I apologise

 

I can see your point - saying she is bad looking is a bit harsh (or pointing any particular aspect of her body as to why), but that's the thing - it's just an opinion. Everyone finds different people attractive, for different reasons. Why is it wrong to discuss that?

 

As you rightly say, we're not perfect looking (there is no such thing, as it is subjective. For example, i'm sure someone found Stalin attractive, regardless of his square head). Doesn't stop people making comments though.

[jamesb]

So you have never recorded a CD/record/radio to tape, ripped a CD to MP3, or borrowed a mates album to have a listen before you buy it?

 

I've ripped CDs to my own MP3, and that's it. I have never downloaded music that I haven't paid for, never downloaded a game or software which I didn't have the appropriate license for, and never downloaded a pirated eBook.

 

So yes, I can actually take a moral stance here.

[Friez]

The angst!!

 

Since I last read this thread it's derailed into a discussion about tits and people bending over. So much for me going off on one!

[localzuk]

I've ripped CDs to my own MP3, and that's it. I have never downloaded music that I haven't paid for, never downloaded a game or software which I didn't have the appropriate license for, and never downloaded a pirated eBook.

 

So yes, I can actually take a moral stance here.

 

No you can't. Ripping a CD to your own MP3 is illegal under UK copyright law...

[Domino]

That's not exactly hard to beat lol, no offence to Domino

 

heyyyyyyy !

 

....aw, who am i kidding?

 

 

[jamesb]

No you can't. Ripping a CD to your own MP3 is illegal under UK copyright law...

 

However, in comparison to downloading music you haven't paid for its relatively minor, so I do feel comfortable in saying that I haven't stolen music, software, video or similar.

[localzuk]

However, in comparison to downloading music you haven't paid for its relatively minor, so I do feel comfortable in saying that I haven't stolen music, software, video or similar.

 

Ah, but the law is the law... We don't get to pick and choose which law to follow. By you doing that copying yourself, you're taking a potential sale away from a company like Apple or Amazon, and therefore removing pay from the people keeping those online stores active...

[sidewinder]

usual suspects taking stuff too seriously. quel suprise.

 

She is fit though.

 

Best point made on this thread

[mac_shinobi]

No you can't. Ripping a CD to your own MP3 is illegal under UK copyright law...

 

so then how are you meant to put your cd collection into iTunes - normally when inserting a disc it prompts do you want to add to your iTunes music collection and you go from there or create a play list and import it into the playlist / your itunes library

[jamesb]

so then how are you meant to put your cd collection into iTunes - normally when inserting a disc it prompts do you want to add to your iTunes music collection and you go from there or create a play list and import it into the playlist / your itunes library

 

Simply put, you're not meant to. This is why there are various proposals around to stop this being illegal.

 

In the US I believe that it is legal to rip music, so you can always take a quick holiday.

 

At the time I ripped music, I wasn't aware it was illegal. This was back before I went to university. Nowadays the only music I have is bought through the Nokia download store, or free music from sites like Jamendo.

[Guest Guest]

I've ripped CDs to my own MP3, and that's it. I have never downloaded music that I haven't paid for, never downloaded a game or software which I didn't have the appropriate license for, and never downloaded a pirated eBook.

 

So yes, I can actually take a moral stance here.

 

But like localzuk said its still illegal, so why exactly do you feel that your morals are better than someone elses to make the judgement of what is right and what is wrong?

 

At the time I ripped music, I wasn't aware it was illegal. This was back before I went to university. Nowadays the only music I have is bought through the Nokia download store, or free music from sites like Jamendo.

 

Ignorance isnt an excuse

 

And im sorry but; someone who only buys music from online stores in digital format lecturing people on artists not getting payed enough. You do know how much (or rather how little) they get from the sale of an mp3 dont you?

Edited September 28, 2009 by Guest

[mac_shinobi]

If thats illegal howcome apple has included that feature into iTunes and why have they not stopped that feature or taken it out ?

[webman]

If thats illegal howcome apple has included that feature into iTunes and why have they not stopped that feature or taken it out ?

 

Killing people, and using a knife to do so, is also illegal. Why do shops still sell knives??

[mac_shinobi]

Killing people, and using a knife to do so, is also illegal. Why do shops still sell knives??

 

Might be a butcher or a regular user who needs a knife for carving there sunday roast , just because you sell knives does not mean everyone is going to be a killer or that way inclined

[localzuk]

If thats illegal howcome apple has included that feature into iTunes and why have they not stopped that feature or taken it out ?

 

Why should Apple have to reduce functionality of an international piece of software just because someone in one of the countries that use it could use it for an illegal purpose.

 

DVD burners can be used to copy DVDs, photocopiers can be used to copy books, cars can be used to run people over, etc...

[mac_shinobi]

Why should Apple have to reduce functionality of an international piece of software just because someone in one of the countries that use it could use it for an illegal purpose.

 

DVD burners can be used to copy DVDs, photocopiers can be used to copy books, cars can be used to run people over, etc...

 

Photocopiers ( at least the latter ones ) have a mechanism in them that when trying to copy money will either refuse to do the copy or it will output the copy wrongly or overlay "This is a copy" or something to that effect over the copied version of the note / money.

 

DVD burners can be used to make copys but that is down to the end users actions the same with the cars can be used to run over people / animals.

 

With regards to why should apple make it different well they certainly made a store for the USA and a store for the UK etc and some things on the USA store are not on the UK store / and possibly visa versa so if its not legal in the UK then you would of thought they would of removed it

 

As per wiki article here

 

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripping]Ripping - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

 

In the [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom]United Kingdom[/ame], making a private copy of copyrighted media without the copyright owner's consent is illegal: this includes ripping music from a CD to a computer or digital music player.[6][7] The UK government has made proposals to allow people to make copies of music for personal use.[8]. According to one survey, 55% of British consumers believed ripping a CD to be legal, and 59% admitted to doing it.[9][10].

 

 

Am guessing due to the fact that its been proposed they may of kept the feature in on the uk itunes

 

Where as in the USA

 

United States

 

On the whole, it is legal for an individual in the United States to make a copy of media he/she owns for his/her own personal use. For instance, making a copy of a personally-owned audio CD for transfer to an MP3 player for that person's personal use would be legal.

Edited September 28, 2009 by mac_shinobi

[localzuk]

Photocopiers ( at least the latter ones ) have a mechanism in them that when trying to copy money will either refuse to do the copy or it will output the copy wrongly or overlay "This is a copy" or something to that effect over the copied version of the note / money.

 

What about every other type of copyrighted document in the world? Why are you focussing on one item??

 

DVD burners can be used to make copys but that is down to the end users actions the same with the cars can be used to run over people / animals.

 

Ripping CD's is down to a user's actions also...

 

As per wiki article here

 

Ripping - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

In the United Kingdom, making a private copy of copyrighted media without the copyright owner's consent is illegal: this includes ripping music from a CD to a computer or digital music player.[6][7] The UK government has made proposals to allow people to make copies of music for personal use.[8]. According to one survey, 55% of British consumers believed ripping a CD to be legal, and 59% admitted to doing it.[9][10].

 

Where as in the USA

 

United States

 

On the whole, it is legal for an individual in the United States to make a copy of media he/she owns for his/her own personal use. For instance, making a copy of a personally-owned audio CD for transfer to an MP3 player for that person's personal use would be legal.

 

Irrelevant - the law is still the law, until it is changed.