Windows 10.. EOL What date

[Alastairb25]

Hi,

 

Reading up on versions of W10 we have used, trying to find the exact EOL

 

We have W10 Enterprise LTSC Version 1809

Our original understanding was the LTSC version we went for had a 10 year life

Everything now suggests this is out of date

 

However at time of install 10 years was mooted as the life span

This suggest same features but I'm assuming that's it and its not the same version

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/whats-new/ltsc/whats-new-windows-10-2019

 

How can I tell if this version is Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC 2019?

If it is then no problem as we are then up to 9th Jan 2029 as per this

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-10-enterprise-ltsc-2019

 

 

If it is out of date, then we will gradually re image using W10 Enterprise LTSC 2021

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-10-enterprise-ltsc-2021

Which would be 12th Jan 2027

 

Thanks,

Alastair

Edited July 25, 2024 by Alastairb25

[Steve21]

https://endoflife.date/windows is your friend

 

10 1809 (E) (LTS) -

Released - 5 years and 8 months ago (13 Nov 2018)

Active Support - Ended 6 months ago (09 Jan 2024)

Security Support - Ends in 4 years and 5 months (09 Jan 2029)

 

There's a difference in active support and security in terms of lengths of support etc

 

Steve

Edited July 25, 2024 by Steve21

[Cw2k]

1809 LTSC (2019) is 10 years of security updates, note you are likely to notice apps stop working with it before then as a lot like Office versions are not supported on LTSC, same with Adobe apps

 

In around 2021 Microsoft changed the LTSC to 5 year to line up the perpetual office LTSC which is 5 years. So try 2021 LTSC is 5 years. The iot ltsc remains 10 years but that is special use cases.

[6Foot2]

Link: End of support for Windows 10, Windows 8.1 and Windows 7 | Microsoft Windows

 

After 14 October 2025, Microsoft will no longer provide free software updates from Windows Update, technical assistance, or security fixes for Windows 10...

 

One year from today.

[flyinghaggis]

Is everyone still on Windows 10 planning their migration to Windows 11 or are there other options available like paying to extend support for Windows 10?

 

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/whats-new/extended-security-updates

 

Has anyone looked into whether this is a viable option or are the costs (presumably) prohibitive?

Edited October 17, 2024 by flyinghaggis

[Cw2k]

Is everyone still on Windows 10 planning their migration to Windows 11 or are there other options available like paying to extend support for Windows 10?

 

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/whats-new/extended-security-updates

 

Has anyone looked into whether this is a viable option or are the costs (presumably) prohibitive?

 

Microsoft said edu esu was going have a yearly per device cost of: $1 year 1, $2 year 2 and $4 year 3.

[flyinghaggis]

Microsoft said edu esu was going have a yearly per device cost of: $1 year 1, $2 year 2 and $4 year 3.

 

I'd read similar figures elsewhere and in the scheme of things (compared to replacing computers/software) that sounds quite cheap if it were a workable option?

 

 

I'm also wondering when we'll see Windows 12 (or whatever MS decides will supercede Windows 11) appear? I'm guessing we're at the point where it will be too new to consider leapfrogging Windows 11 as Summer Holidays 2025 will likely be our last opportunity to roll out Windows 11 (assuming no viable options to extend Windows 10 support).

Edited October 17, 2024 by flyinghaggis

[Primus]

I'd read similar figures elsewhere and in the scheme of things (compared to replacing computers/software) that sounds quite cheap if it were a workable option?

 

 

I'm also wondering when we'll see Windows 12 (or whatever MS decides will supercede Windows 11) appear? I'm guessing we're at the point where it will be too new to consider leapfrogging Windows 11 as Summer Holidays 2025 will likely be our last opportunity to roll out Windows 11.

 

Keep in mind you still ultimately need to replace the computers so you're paying to delay the inevitable.

[DrCheese]

Keep in mind you still ultimately need to replace the computers so you're paying to delay the inevitable.

 

Aye, but limited budgets means have to spread the costs.

We've replaced over 550 machines since 2018 to get the majority done but we have 90 or so left that still only run Windows 10. If I could focus my entire budget each year on replacements it would be easy but we've have a lot of other stuff that's aging that are as high priority.

 

 

My plan if we have some left is likely just to pay for the ESU. That gives us a further 1/2 or 3 years. Failing that I will swap back to the longest supported Windows 10 LTSC build.

 

Now that the Windows 11 LTSC build is out, we have tested it on a few unsupported devices (But have TPM 1.2 and Secure boot) & it runs... fine?

I wouldn't run the standard build on them, as Microsoft can & have randomly killed unsupported devices with updates - But given that the Windows 11 LTSC build is in theory, an unchanging build it might be tempting to give it a shot. Especially as the remaining machines are in non critical areas & could be blasted back to 10 in a pinch..

[kennysarmy]

Oh education!

[flyinghaggis]

Keep in mind you still ultimately need to replace the computers so you're paying to delay the inevitable.

 

True, but I'm sure many schools will be in the position where it's potentially a more cost effective option? If it's a case of paying MS for extended support until their refurbishment cycles catch up with Windows 11 compatibility versus finding money to purcahase hundreds of new computers outwith their usual budget cycle?

[Primus]

Obviously only you know where you are in your refresh plan and what's possible and affordable.

 

This obviously has to be balanced against the fact that the more times you get "just one more year" out of a device, the more people will come to expect it and push it to breaking point.

 

You should also do a cost analysis - is it cheaper to lease new computers rather than pay per PC for the extended support for 3 years and then replace them as a capital project at that point? Is it cheaper to buy refurbished PCs etc etc

 

Everyone's needs will be different.

[LeMarchand]

refurbishment cycles

 

What is a "reef-urbish-men sikal"? Is it something my heads/admin officers/business managers should be aware of?

Edited October 17, 2024 by LeMarchand

[flyinghaggis]

Is anyone on here planning on sticking with Windows 10 and paying for Extended Security Updates (ESU) ? What's involved in terms of accessing and applying updates once you move to extended support?

 

Has anyone done this on Windows 7 or 10 previously?

[DrCheese]

Is anyone on here planning on sticking with Windows 10 and paying for Extended Security Updates (ESU) ? What's involved in terms of accessing and applying updates once you move to extended support?

 

Has anyone done this on Windows 7 or 10 previously?

 

I am likely going to end up paying for ESU for around 90 odd computers that (Try as I might) we just can't get rid of before the cutoff.

When I last spoke to my reseller (Phoenix) they weren't sure how it would work as it had just been announced, I will reach out again & see.

[3s-gtech]

I'm looking at doing it with around 150 PCs. Hopefully for just one year! The majority of our kit supports 11 and is being changed over now.

[flyinghaggis]

We currently use a third party tool (ManageEngine) in order to deploy Windows updates. I'm not sure if we'll stlll be able to apply updates the same way or if we'll need to switch to another method once we move to Extended Security Updates (ESU). Presumably the patches won't be readily publicly available after official support ends?

 

Not quite sure how it will work! Something to ask our Microsoft Account Manager when we purchase the licences as the school doesn't intend to move to Windows 11 until next year.

Edited March 3, 2025 by flyinghaggis

[midweek]

Reached out to our reseller today to ask about the $1, $2, $4 costs as, for us, it makes sense to keep some older computers going as we migrate to laptops over the next couple of years. I had dismissed the option as I'd thought it was going to be ballpark $30-60 per device.

[mikes]

for me our computers luckily support Win 11 (apart from a few old ones that I'll replace) - I can push it out via WSUS and let them upgrade. Got a test fleet of Win 11 computers in 2 classrooms build over the half term, and I pushed out the WSUS upgrade to a few test laptops to test that out too - seems OK. We will move over either in Easter or Summer (haven't decided yet - we are getting a new MIS circa Easter so I think that and Win 11 might be a bit much for our staff yes the start button being in the middle and not on the left has actually resulted in a few calls!)