Coronavirus: General discussion (see opening post for rules)

[mikeprice]

Just had a go at my best friend for going out while his children are at home with terrible cough and very high temperature. Not sure we will still be friends after this as he just doesn't care. :0(

 

There are a lot of people like that

 

"I ain't gonna die so I'll do what I like"

 

 

 

Just been to Morrisons (massive queue to even get INTO ASDS (translation for locals - The ASDA)

I got eggs - and bread and washing powder - all of which we have run out of - then had to queue to nearly an hour to pay for it

[TwistedHelixis]

There are a lot of people like that

 

"I ain't gonna die so I'll do what I like"

 

Except he could have a car crash in a couple of weeks and need emergency medical help, which due to the fact he went out and infected others means the emergency services are too busy to help him. Some people are so short sighted it's driving me nuts.

[6Foot2]

The Head has confirmed that I am expected to be in tomorrow, but I am to remain in my office for the day (and probably for the foreseeable while I am on site in the coming weeks [and months?])

[mikeprice]

Except he could have a car crash in a couple of weeks and need emergency medical help, which due to the fact he went out and infected others means the emergency services are too busy to help him. Some people are so short sighted it's driving me nuts.

 

I have seen on some cycling forums that some countries have banned cycling and several other activities - not because they spread the virus but simply because they want to remove everything they can which might cause an accident requiring hospital treatment

 

Hence, anyone cycling, walking on mountains, climbing rocks etc etc etc have to be stopped because A&E might be faced with treating your head injury when they need to keep their beds for virus patients. This is the reason for the more severe lockdowns as well as the distancing needs - and we will probably be going that far soom

 

On a similar note - and based on the headlines showing massive numbers of visitors to Snowdonia yesterday (Saturday) - I was going down a canal towpath yesterday and it was clear that a lot of canal boats that have been moored up all winter - are now missing. I reckon some peoiple are social distancing by getting on their boat and going off to the middle of nowhere - whioch seems to make sense until you think about it fully!

[Primus]

Right - expert help required - so I thought of you lot

 

Step son works for the NHS - he is currently working in the education dept of the hospital but has been moved to 6 days a week - front line ICU and theatres - which is where he worked until a few months ago

 

he has 2 kids - 1 at school - ages 7

1 in pre-school and nursery - categorised a 'vulnerable' due to development delay and has education plan

 

the school have said that the kids cannot come in Monday to Wednesday as potentially their Mum could look after them - Thu and Fri they cn come in - but the little one mornings only for the pre-school - but as this means he has to be picked up at noon the the older has to leave with him

 

 

As far as I have seen this is wrong - if ONE parent is front line then the kids should be able to attend school 5 days - is that what other school are doing??

 

We are especially concerned about the little one as he has developed massively since he started at school and has other kids to look to for examples - it seemed like kids like him were specifically to be provided for.

 

Thanks

 

Mike

 

Mike, if they possibly can stay at home they should stay at home - their education is important but there are more important things right now to think of.

 

If schools have too many students then they have to prioritise - there will be a plethora of reasons why - down on staff due to self isolation and illness, a large number of eligible students, large number of EHCP students etc etc. The initial guidance was to have no more than 10% of students in then this changed to 20% but some schools are seeing over 60% of parents wanting children to attend.

 

The whole situation is summed up by a phone call our receptionist took from a Y11’s mother who wanted to book her child in for the "free childcare". This is a fit and well 16 year old who has no additional needs etc - they are quite capable of being at home safely on their own!

Edited March 22, 2020 by Primus

[LeMarchand]

Good points in article, but still doesn't include school support staff : https://www.indy100.com/article/coronavirus-key-workers-immigration-home-office-priti-patel-9416781

Edit: Not a political point, as it's not as if these groups were revered under labour.

Edited March 22, 2020 by LeMarchand

[keyboards]

Good points in article, but still doesn't include school support staff : https://www.indy100.com/article/coronavirus-key-workers-immigration-home-office-priti-patel-9416781

Edit: Not a political point, as it's not as if these groups were revered under labour.

 

And not the entire world's education system is relying on systems we brought in, maintain, update and continue to look to the future too, madness. If when we ever eventually go make to normal, if a few peoples attitudes haven't changed to our role, not just pay but attitude, respect and so forth I won't be in this sector for much longer, well that applies to everyone really digging in these times even more nhs workers and so forth

Edited March 22, 2020 by keyboards

[Katy]

Right - expert help required - so I thought of you lot

 

Step son works for the NHS - he is currently working in the education dept of the hospital but has been moved to 6 days a week - front line ICU and theatres - which is where he worked until a few months ago

 

he has 2 kids - 1 at school - ages 7

1 in pre-school and nursery - categorised a 'vulnerable' due to development delay and has education plan

 

the school have said that the kids cannot come in Monday to Wednesday as potentially their Mum could look after them - Thu and Fri they cn come in - but the little one mornings only for the pre-school - but as this means he has to be picked up at noon the the older has to leave with him

 

 

As far as I have seen this is wrong - if ONE parent is front line then the kids should be able to attend school 5 days - is that what other school are doing??

 

We are especially concerned about the little one as he has developed massively since he started at school and has other kids to look to for examples - it seemed like kids like him were specifically to be provided for.

 

Thanks

 

Mike

If it's anything like what we are doing in the senior school - the kids that turn up sit in computer rooms (spaced apart) with a teacher supervising them, they then get on with whatever the kids at home are supposed to be doing on Teams. There's no in person teaching happening and the supervising teacher likely doesn't even teach the subjects the pupils are doing. So if at all possible kids should stay at home, I'd have expected the only case where pupils will need to come into school is where all parents are key workers and the pupils are not old enough to be left unattended at home.

Not sure what age 7 and below would be doing, presumably the packs of work that they are meant to be doing at home but again the staff member is just supervising.

 

All the guidance I've seen has been "keep the kids at home if it is possible, otherwise send them to school. Don't send them in for all 5 days if you could keep them off for part of the week"

[FN-GM]

Australia have put new measures in. In addition to the international borders being closed the state borders are also closed meaning you can't move around the country. Public places are now closed such as beaches, cinemas, gyms, pubs, casinos etc. Cafes and restaurants will takeaway only. The prime minister did note during his speech that bottle shops will remain open! Edited March 22, 2020 by FN-GM

[Ditto]

DfE release further guidance to schools. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-school-closures/guidance-for-schools-about-temporarily-closing

[timbo343]

Does anyone know the answer to my question that i have.. once i have washed my hands with either soap or handsanitiser and touch a surface such as a door handle, do i then have to re-wash my hands or does the virus not "stick" to freshly washed hands? No one seems to know.

[6Foot2]

Link: Covidiot [urban Dictionary]

 

[caffrey]

Does anyone know the answer to my question that i have.. once i have washed my hands with either soap or handsanitiser and touch a surface such as a door handle, do i then have to re-wash my hands or does the virus not "stick" to freshly washed hands? No one seems to know.

 

 

I don't think anyone knows, the most important thing is not to touch your face as that is it's vector - but that is really difficult

[timbo343]

Indeed which is why i think we all should be wearing the attached

[elsiegee40]

Does anyone know the answer to my question that i have.. once i have washed my hands with either soap or handsanitiser and touch a surface such as a door handle, do i then have to re-wash my hands or does the virus not "stick" to freshly washed hands? No one seems to know.

 

You have to wash your hands again. Or use hand sanitiser.

 

All washing does is remove what’s stuck to your hands. If you touch something like a door handle or other hard surface then your hand will collect whatever is on it again.

 

I am now in the habit of pulling a sleeve down over my hand to open doors that have to be pulled. The alternative is to grab a piece of toilet paper or towel and have that between my hand and the door handle; bin said paper immediately afterwards.

[timbo343]

Ive been using a piece of loo roll or kitchen roll (paper towel) but it's something that came to mind especially when they said that those with OCD - washing hands - can do it "too much"

[elsiegee40]

Ive been using a piece of loo roll or kitchen roll (paper towel) but it's something that came to mind especially when they said that those with OCD - washing hands - can do it "too much"

 

Those with OCD are likely to over-apply any cleanliness guidelines.

 

If you are outside your home, you need to be suspicious of everything you touch.

 

At home, assuming everyone is fit and well, you wash your hands as soon as you get in and then do so before/after handling food and after bathroom visits as you normally do. However, you don’t need to panic about touching door handles and tables in your home.

 

Washing your hands too frequently simply makes your skin very sore. In my case, my skin isn’t particularly soap-tolerant at the best of times. I am now using aqueous cream on them nightly to try to counter this.

[elsiegee40]

@Elison I saw you post. How are things in Russia with COVID-19?

[caffrey]

At school, and its weird

[jinnantonnixx]

You have to wash your hands again. Or use hand sanitiser.

 

All washing does is remove what’s stuck to your hands. If you touch something like a door handle or other hard surface then your hand will collect whatever is on it again.

 

I am now in the habit of pulling a sleeve down over my hand to open doors that have to be pulled. The alternative is to grab a piece of toilet paper or towel and have that between my hand and the door handle; bin said paper immediately afterwards.

 

I use a tent peg to open doors.

 

You can engage every sanitation measure under the sun, but if your workplace requires you to open doors using a handle to get to your desk, it's an utter nonsense. You may as well cut out the middleman and shake hands with everyone in your workplace.

 

Here'a a nice little story of how the virus can spread.

 

https://app.getpocket.com/read/2919708911

[LeMarchand]

At school, and its weird

 

No different to normal, then?

[mikeprice]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/22/mcdonalds-to-close-restaurants-in-uk-and-ireland-on-monday

 

So all the pubs are closed and now all the McDonalds are closing totally

 

Maybe now 'those people' will realise that this is serious

 

in further news - we have been looking things up - looks like wife may be on the list of people getting 'the letter'

won't make much difference really - she has been isolating for a while now

[caffrey]

No different to normal, then?

 

Should've been "weirder"

[Elison]

@Elison I saw you post. How are things in Russia with COVID-19?

 

Well, it is difficult to say, because it is said that tests government provide hospitals aren't sensitive enough and often show negative result. So there might be much more infected people around us than we think.

What we have now:

- schools and universities are closed till 12th of april (maybe longer)

- last week people started buying toilet paper, salt and preserves and for a couple of days shelves in shops were empty. Now they are full again. No queues or panic.

- big shopping malls still work but hardly anyone visit them

- cinemas stopped working 2 days ago

- we suffer from lack of medicine masks from January (when we had flue wave)

- some companies allow their employees work from home if it is possible

- events with many people are cancelled or posponed till summer (I had tickets for ceminar about child psychology next week, but they posponed it to June).

 

My boss came back from Italy in the beginning of March. He spent 2 weeks at home isolated with his family and then 1 week at hospital coz had temperature rise (37.5 one day). Covid-19 tests were negative.

 

In my city there is 1 infected teenager who came back from the UK last week.

 

In gereral some people live their lives like nothing is happening (visit parks, playgrounds with kids, go to restaurants), some try to stay at home as much as possible.

I guess people here do not afraid of covid-19 as much as economical crysis. Low oil prices, covid -19 will lead to many problems for russians.

 

But all that we agree with is that the world will never be the same. Everything has changed and we feel it in the air

[timbo343]

Those with OCD are likely to over-apply any cleanliness guidelines.

 

If you are outside your home, you need to be suspicious of everything you touch.

 

At home, assuming everyone is fit and well, you wash your hands as soon as you get in and then do so before/after handling food and after bathroom visits as you normally do. However, you don’t need to panic about touching door handles and tables in your home.

 

Washing your hands too frequently simply makes your skin very sore. In my case, my skin isn’t particularly soap-tolerant at the best of times. I am now using aqueous cream on them nightly to try to counter this.

 

tell me about it, my knuckles are killing and dry! I used Dr Okeefe's hand cream.. he wasn't too happy i used it

 

Fortunately there is only me at home so it makes life easy however those that have large families i can imagine it's an operational nightmare!